Acronis True Image? Ummm... Surely you can end up with no backup?

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If you set say True Image to (full) backup your C drive every month. If during this backup you close your PC, then surely you're left with no backup?
 
NeilFawcett said:
If you set say True Image to (full) backup your C drive every month. If during this backup you close your PC, then surely you're left with no backup?

yep it would be corrupt, as above leave PC switched on :)
 
mike1210 said:
yep it would be corrupt, as above leave PC switched on :)

Let's remember the kind of people who post here are NOT a reflection of your average user. As a rule we are far more techno-literate.

So, we have in my case some older member of the public, who are no particularly techno-savi, so I want to create a backup system as simple as possible.

The most obvious way to do this with True Image is to say every month do an automatic backup of C to D for example.

HOWEVER, if the folks turn their PC on, the backup starts, they read their email say and then log off (before the 5-10 minute backup is complete), NO BACKUP!


There is also the fundamental flaw with True Image, in that it destroys your existing backup BEFORE starting the new one. If while copying say your entire C drive your C drive fails! Bang! No backup!
 
NeilFawcett said:
Let's remember the kind of people who post here are NOT a reflection of your average user. As a rule we are far more techno-literate.

So, we have in my case some older member of the public, who are no particularly techno-savi, so I want to create a backup system as simple as possible.

The most obvious way to do this with True Image is to say every month do an automatic backup of C to D for example.

HOWEVER, if the folks turn their PC on, the backup starts, they read their email say and then log off (before the 5-10 minute backup is complete), NO BACKUP!


There is also the fundamental flaw with True Image, in that it destroys your existing backup BEFORE starting the new one. If while copying say your entire C drive your C drive fails! Bang! No backup!

OK, now we have a clearer picture maybe it can be better addressed :)

You could run incremental backups and schedule them to run....weekly, monthly etc. I guess they would have to have the PC switched on though, or as below it runs when PC comes on. Just tell at a certain time every week to leave it on. IIRC Incrementals will only overwrite when there is no space left, at least thats the case if you create a secure zone
 
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pretty sure you can set it to run the next time the pc is on (if the backup is missed)

schedule weekly incremental low priority backups, sorted :)
 
bledd. said:
pretty sure you can set it to run the next time the pc is on (if the backup is missed)

schedule weekly incremental low priority backups, sorted :)

Shame:-
1) It doesn't warn you a backup is being run if you attempt to shutdown - If this is possible.
2) The timer options are not simply better. Ideally I'd set it to do a backup every month on shutdown, because this gives a clear message! But you cant! It's at every shutdown!
3) Have an option to retain the previous backup file, until the new one has been completed! This seems a VERY obvious oversight!


I think I'll have to get them to run it manually, which seems a bit daft! Especially as True Image 10, hides the tasks, whereas True Image 9 offered/showed them on starting the program.
 
We have a pre-job script that renames:

backup.001 to backup.002
backup.tib to backup.001

and THEN runs the script. That way we always have the latest backup. TI also emails me letting me know that beackup status.... No email = check.
 
Hodders said:
We have a pre-job script that renames:

backup.001 to backup.002
backup.tib to backup.001

and THEN runs the script. That way we always have the latest backup. TI also emails me letting me know that beackup status.... No email = check.

Very interesting!!!! Now why isn't there just an option in TI for 'number of versions' to do exactly what you're describing.

How clever is your script? Does it literally just do what you said, or a bit more? Cut and paste it here maybe?


I assume you are always doing a full backup in this case?
 
NeilFawcett said:
Let's remember the kind of people who post here are NOT a reflection of your average user. As a rule we are far more techno-literate.
Now there's a frightening thought.
 
OK...

Here's the batch file I now fire off pre-backup, passing in a parameter of the backup image name so the script can be used on any image (without tib extension).

This means if an existing backup exists it's renamed to filename_backup.tib

Therefore even if the machine dies/closes during backup, you still have an image! Acronis need their wrists slapped for not including this functionality!

Code:
REM if image is there but 0 bytes then delete it
for /F %%A in ("%1.tib") do If %%~zA equ 0 del %1.tib

REM if file exists
if EXIST %1.tib (
	REM if backup exists delete it
	if EXIST %1_backup.tib del %1_backup.tib

	REM rename existing image to backup
	rename %1.tib %1_backup.tib
)

NOTE: Do not use spaces in filename. ie: "C Drive Image" should be "C_Drive_Image"
 
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NeilFawcett said:
NOTE: Do not use spaces in filename. ie: "C Drive Image" should be "C_Drive_Image"

Why not just put quotes around the substitutions throughout?
e.g.
Code:
if EXIST "%1_backup.tib" del "%1_backup.tib"
should mean spaces are allowed
 
Andre said:
Why not just put quotes around the substitutions throughout?
e.g.
Code:
if EXIST "%1_backup.tib" del "%1_backup.tib"
should mean spaces are allowed

I was going to release that extra functionality in the chargable version :)

ps: I don't think it's quite as straight forward as that due to passing in the single parameter with spaces in it (in quotes)... I'll give it a try though...
 
Not as straight forward as that!! + You have to fiddle Acronis to work as well.

So:-

Script, called "backup image.bat" which I place in "C:\Program Files\Acronis\":-
Code:
REM Put parameter into variable and lose quotes
SET filename=%1
SET filename=###%filename%###
SET filename=%filename:"###=%
SET filename=%filename:###"=%
SET filename=%filename:###=%

REM If image is there but 0 bytes then delete it
for %%A in ("%filename%.tib") do If %%~zA equ 0 del "%filename%.tib"

REM If file exists
if EXIST "%filename%.tib" (
	REM If backup exists delete it
	if EXIST "%filename% BACKUP.tib" del "%filename% BACKUP.tib"

	REM Rename existing image to backup
	rename "%filename%.tib" "%filename% BACKUP.tib"
)

Pre Command
Command: C:\Program Files\Acronis\backup image (note this must NOT have .BAT at the end)
Working Directory: This is where your backup image is being placed
Arguments: your backup image name in quotes, without an extension (eg: "c drive image")


Personally, the not using spaces solution is easier :)
 
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