Adding a sub to a soundbar?

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just bought a denon dht-s217 budget soundbar, it has a sub out connection and have option to add Subwoofer with built-in amplifier, just wondered being no expert on audio would it make much of a difference?


cheers in advance
 
i have , a few movies, last one was Saw X, just feel its missing that big boom, maybe im too used to my old setup from when married, a 5.1 system with nice beefy 250w sub:D
 
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The term 'subwoofer' can cause a bit of confusion. Folk have this idea that subwoofer automatically equates to T-Rex stomping about in Jurassic Park. It can, but that required much larger drivers (cones), much bigger boxes, and a heck of a lot more power than your typical sound bar can muster.

How come a sound bar can claim to have built-in subwoofers then?
The answer is that subwoofer frequencies start much higher than many realise. Try 200Hz.

That number might not mean much, but go to YouTube and type in '200Hz test tone'. I'll bet you can hear that from the dinky speakers of a laptop or even your smart phone. It's a much higher pitch than you'd associate with subwoofers. That's why little sound bars can make the claim.

Where does this leave us with external subs then?
200Hz is the top of the subwoofer frequency range, but it goes way way below that.

In theory, music gets down to 20Hz because that's the limit of our hearing. In practice, stuff playing at below 30Hz is already getting hard to hear. At 20Hz the chances are you'll only feel the sound, not hear it. Sub bass for movies (the LFE track) can get down to 3Hz. You'll need some serious gear to push air at that frequency, but it's all in the sub range and way below what any sound bar can attempt.

The subs in a small sound bar will be starting to tail off significantly at 60-70Hz. If you hear much below that it'll mostly be the higher harmonics that accompany each fundamental note. Adding a decent external sub will help fill in what's missing, and depending on how good tou are at blending the two, you'll also be able to flesh out a little higher to add weight to the bars lower frequencies.

Your budget will determine how successful you'll be here.

Budget subs are not thin on the ground, but there's a lot of stuff out there that's not really worth the time. As a general rule I'd steer away from Eltax, Boston, Q Acoustics, Yamaha, Auna, Cambridge Audio, and anything made by any firm that produces TVs. A 10" driver and around 150W of power is a reasonable starting point for a smallish room for 2-3 adults. Bigger rooms require a bigger sub and more power.

Best bang for your Buck is generally BK, some KEF, some of the larger Tannoy subs, maybe Monitor Audio, B&W, and REL.

BK Gemini II goes for around £90-£150. BK XLS200 is the same 40cm cube but runs with a better driver and more power. I have seen them go as low as £80 and up to £200.

KEF PSW2010 can be had for under £100 used. This has the same infinite adjustment controls for crossover and phase as the BKs which makes it easier to dial in where the sound bar lacks bass management. KEF PSW2500 has the same 10" driver but with more power and a larger enclosure. £80-£150.

That should get you started. Look in member's market here and on eBay and AV forums classifieds.
Thx that's very informative for us non audiophiles n helps a lot. Obviously with a 200quid sound bar I'm wasn't expecting much, but watching no time to die it was missing something,. It feels flat the explosion side of it. It's ok I guess. Any ideas on a budget sub that would uplift the experience those models above not showing any decent buys . Used be fine under say 200 notes, if such a thing exists
 
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TANNOY TS10 300W 10” Grey with Adj. Feet, Active subwoofer - Fully working VGC - currently £102 with 4 bids and a day to go. 10" driver and 300W power. It's not the right colour for you, and the balanced inputs and outputs are way beyond where you're at (it still has regular RCA inputs) but this is a lot of power in a compact box with very comprehensive controls. Item no. 355161005525
seen it yesterday and is actually in my watch list, even though the connections and knobs confused hell out of me :cry:
 
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i have a question for you audiophiles, my Denon soundbar has indicator lights that tell you blue light = Atmos, green light Dolby (other than Atmos) and white light PCM (or No Signal). then it gets complicated, my tv has a few settings(pictured) now if i select any of them apart from PCM i get Dolby(other that Atmos) light come on, if i select auto or pcm i get white light, not Dolby, but sounds good,lol though if Atmos it will do Atmos on auto, so sort of confused here, i been told that pcm is the best option.

some input would help as dont no which do i select, leave it on auto or change every time dependant on movie? Earc selected if makes any difference

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I my SB has TRUEHD, apart from usual DD n ATMOS but no DTS decoding strangely. But will leave it on auto. Even got a certified 2.1 cable as was told you need it for EARC. When I had it, it was set to auto but I had to have a play with settings
Thx.


you make the impossible easier to understand. You're a star
 
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the bedroom is very small, watching oppenheimer last night, it feels flat, yes he odd thump, but nothing down low really. got my eye on a few, once bedroom down its onto living room, but going down the amp route there
 
If sticking to BK maybe P10-150-Gem for bedroom, Monolith Plus for main system? (or two)
funny you should say gem as was looking at them yesterday, from what im reading its being said are saying the xls200 is better in nearly every way, they around 70 quid more than the xls200, though direct from Bk themselves, shame the black friday code doesnt apply to them
 
the thing i got in my head thats seeding doubt is will the soundbar be able to use the sub to its full potential, as obviously when go down the living room route that a amp/receiver or what every they call them these days, then they will use the it fully, will the soundbar limit its abilities
 
Don't see why. The sub will outclass the soundbar and cost more but a quality sub will help with the soundbars poor bass reponse, and better subs will be able to play higher frequency better. You'll need to use a high crossover in the sub, what soundbar do you have?
 
The sound bar has its own limits, of course. However, the signals flowing through it aren't curtailed in any way. The sub should be getting exactly the same PCM / DD / DD+ / Dolby True-HD signal as it would if it were passing through a £5,000 AV amp. Your sub (when you get one) will do just fine.

If you want to test the limits of how low the sound bars subs will play, go to YouTube on the TV's smart apps. Search for Test Tones. These are a number of sweeps (rising or falling tones between two frequencies) that you'll find useful. There's one from 25-150Hz which is the right range. Grab your smart phone, download a sound meter app, use that to monitor the volume as the tone increases. You might have to fiddle around with the bar's volume to get enough level to make the meter reading react strongly.

Play the tone a few times to get an idea where there's a fairly quick increase in loudness. This will help you narrow down to the sort of crossover frequency you need for blending the sub.
I was in there last night testing time.
But that puts me at rest, all I need to do is win I keep losing out last second lol
 
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