ADSL Modem Router options

atomic7431

atomic7431

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What is considered a good quality reliable ADSL Modem router with both good wireless and ethernet options.

I have -
2 PS4`s (kids)
My gaming machine
Kids & Wife Android pads
there is other stuff too but while gaming i like to turn off access to everything thats not gaming at the time as my connection is only 6.5 dl - 1 up

Options for port forwarding.

QoS at least as an option and being able to place machines so they have gaming priority access to the network traffic would be useful too.

My provider supports IPV 6 too

every time i look at modem routers i either end up seeing no modem just a router or a lack of options on said device.

I have had a Netgear d7000 and Netgear ipv 6 implementation doesn't currently work properly so got a refund on this.

I was advised by my ISP Zen internet to buy the Fritz!Box 3490 but its been nothing but a pain with authentication problems and line drops (had none before got this router) no QoS even though they advised it did have. Port forwarding isnt implemented very well if at all and they use port sharing instead.
Called isp and they agreed to refund the device and have sent out a returns bag today.

Now I have seen mentioned that its better to have a separate setup and have a modem and separate router which may work better.

Also for when fibre eventually arrives, having this available in the modem router would be nice.

Im open to opinions and options

thanks for looking

ps. i have looked at the DrayTek Vigor 2860ac but not sure how easy it is to setup/use for port forwarding and dmz/prioritizing certain devices etc.
 
The Drayteks are aimed more or less for the business market so they will have all of the features you want. In short, port forwarding and QoS are available on most middle to higher end routers (I left out DMZ as it's the devils work and there is no valid reason for ever using it other than laziness).

If you get a combined everything then you will probably sacrifice on some things, a separate modem, router and wifi access point would allow you to mix and match everything you'd want. My personal recommendation for this would be a BT HG612 modem, Mirotik RB750Gr3 router and a Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LR for wifi.
 
Draytek 2860 works fine with BT's IPv6 implementation and is easy to setup. I'm not sure how Zen compares.

The 2860ac is a pretty solid router, also useful if you want to restrict your kid's access with web filtering, or block torrenting etc.
 
The Mirotik RB750Gr3 is that Mirotik RB750Gr3 hex lite or is the lite a different model?

ok seems the lite has a slower cpu @ 720mhz instead of 880mhz
 
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Not the lite. Lite is a slower cut back version. The "real" Hex r3 is a dual core 880mhz (with hyperthreading), it's been rumoured to be able to do gigabit full duplex through NAT. RouterOS really is a swiss army knife as well, can be a bit difficult to get your head around but once you do, it's phenomenal what yo can do and how easily.
 
Steveocee said:
My personal recommendation for this would be a BT HG612 modem, Mirotik RB750Gr3 router and a Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LR for wifi.
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ok ive read about this combination so many times.

I have ordered the lot, i presume the unlocked firmware is the best option for the modem?

made sure i got a uk plug version of the Mirotik RB750Gr3 and 880hz dual core
 
atomic7431 said:
ok ive read about this combination so many times.

I have ordered the lot, i presume the unlocked firmware is the best option for the modem?

made sure i got a uk plug version of the Mirotik RB750Gr3 and 880hz dual core
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Firmware doesn't matter on the HG612, you only need unlocked if you want to see line stats.
If you're unlucky enough to get an EU plug, give me a shout, I've a box of probably 50 UK ones doing nothing.

You won't be sorry, rather than a jack of all trades you've effectively hired 3 specialists lol
 
Nice.

Always wanted to try a Mikrotik, but it's an expensive one off thing that I'd use 'just to fiddle with'.

I'm really happy with my Unifi setup.
 
bledd said:
Nice.

Always wanted to try a Mikrotik, but it's an expensive one off thing that I'd use 'just to fiddle with'.

I'm really happy with my Unifi setup.
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Basically this. It's on the list, but every time I find a reason to justify one, I end up with a VM doing the same job and 'saving' £60. Besides you have cute graphs and management if you stick to Ubiquiti kit that those of us with just AP's don't get to look at from one interface.

Steveocee said:
Not the lite. Lite is a slower cut back version. The "real" Hex r3 is a dual core 880mhz (with hyperthreading), it's been rumoured to be able to do gigabit full duplex through NAT. RouterOS really is a swiss army knife as well, can be a bit difficult to get your head around but once you do, it's phenomenal what yo can do and how easily.
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At the risk of making the same mistake I called someone else out on not so long back, the lite has the 880Mhz '4 core' CPU in question from what I read, Mikrotik aren't the best at notifying hardware changes and altering version numbers, which did lead to people expecting 'new' stock and getting 'old' stock shortly after launch from memory.

For the OP RouterOS is a steep learning curve just like pfsense etc. but it gives you a level of control and feature set that few other devices in this price range will, just remember that it's not really aimed at home users.
 
Sorry to hear your D7000 was not working properly mines been solid with QOS + IPv6 implementation which was easy to set up.

I'm about 800mtr from my FTTC cabinet also my Down/UP Load speed improved as well.
 
OLDPHART said:
Sorry to hear your D7000 was not working properly mines been solid with QOS + IPv6 implementation which was easy to set up.

I'm about 800mtr from my FTTC cabinet also my Down/UP Load speed improved as well.
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Thats strange as Netgear have admitted ipv 6 isn't or shouldn't be working across their entire range? wonder if i can find the info again.
 
bledd said:
Nice.
Always wanted to try a Mikrotik, but it's an expensive one off thing that I'd use 'just to fiddle with'.
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Have a look at CHR, it's free to download and you get 2 months free P1 licensing, if you can live with not updating constantly then it's free indefinitely.

Avalon said:
Basically this. It's on the list, but every time I find a reason to justify one, I end up with a VM doing the same job and 'saving' £60.
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CHR is what you want as well then.

Avalon said:
At the risk of making the same mistake I called someone else out on not so long back, the lite has the 880Mhz '4 core' CPU in question from what I read, Mikrotik aren't the best at notifying hardware changes and altering version numbers, which did lead to people expecting 'new' stock and getting 'old' stock shortly after launch from memory.
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This happened briefly when they cut from r2 to r3. The r2 models were genuinely really underpowered as they were more or less bottom of the range. The r3's now are absolute crackers.[/QUOTE]

atomic7431 said:
ok found this page on setting up the router, looks helpful - https://blog.ligos.net/2017-02-16/Use-A-Mikrotik-As-Your-Home-Router.html

I have installed the unlocked firmware for the modem as it arrived today,
from here - https://mega.nz/#F!LdJFDIJL!e_E1twsIg2kTet8mPjrb4w!aNpjALAB
and how to here - http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/hg612hacking.htm
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In it's standard form the 'Tik comes ready to shove DHCP into port1 and then connect off the back of it, once you get used to routerOS you'll end up blanking the config and going from fresh. If you get really stuck do let me know and I'll write something to "get you going" if you start to lose the will to live.
 
atomic7431 said:
ps. i have looked at the DrayTek Vigor 2860ac but not sure how easy it is to setup/use for port forwarding and dmz/prioritizing certain devices etc.
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That's all very straight forward on the 2860.

On the Draytek you have Class of Service groups, you then give these class of service groups a % of minimum bandwidth, typically 25%

You could create class of service groups like the following.
Gaming - 30%
Kids - 30%
Low priority (say cloud backup) - 10%
House / Wifi - 30%

This way regardless of what bandwidth a class of service group uses, the other groups receive an allocated minimum amount of bandwidth.

The other thing on the Drayteks, they have Ack package priority option. What can happen is if the upload bandwidth is saturated download is compromised as acknowledgment packages are delayed. The Draytek Ack priority option allows both upload and download to be both running at full speed simultaneously.
 
ok got this working on the modem and router.

now bare with me lol

Is there an option on the modem i need to setup for ipv 6 or is it something i need to do on the router?
 
You'll need to install the IPv6 handler through system>packages in the router.

It might be selectable if not you download it from the Mikrotik website, drag, drop and reboot to enable it.

Any reason for going IPv6?
 
Elite Dangerous has ipv 6 support now and it should help with some of the connection issues with the game etc.

Thanks for the info i will take a look at it.
 
ok im struggling to get ipv6 working, i get local ipv6 it seems but no gateway or internet via ipv6.

Cant find any useful guides using winbox on the subject.

Got the Unifi up and running and ipv4 working as expected so thats a start :)

The 612, it does forward ipv6 ?
its all new to me, i know its acting as a dedicated modem, does it support ipv6 ?
 
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