Advice needed to upgrade

[IGBT]

Hi all I am thinking updating my old 4770 to a new cpu (obviously for a complete new system) but I have been disconnected from this world for a long time so not sure what I should go for.

I want top performance for photo and video editing (common known software).

I am set to put 64GB ram in the new system.

What would you recommend?

 

[IGBT]

Hi all, thanks for your feedback. I forgot actually to put the budget.

I just would like to remind you that I haven’t got anything recent as I haven’t updated my PC for 12y (cpu, mb, mem).

Budget-wise, I would like to stay below £1300. I did a bit of research meanwhile and I am inclined towards the i9-13900k, a gigabyte board with B760 and WiFi, Kingston fury 64GB RAM DDR4, a 850W PSU.

Software-wise, DaVinci resolve for now as It os free, but mainly for now LR+PS along with Topaz bundle.

 

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You might want to have a read of this, since there's no way I'd be running a 13900K power unlimited for productivity work. Personally I'd be going for the 7900 non-X (review), especially if I was paying the power bill.



What are you doing about the GPU?

I was thinking using the built-in GPU in the CPU.

The 7900 is AMD?

 

[IGBT]

I did a bit more research and following that YouTube video above and the 7900 non-x seems to be a good choice. I guess I will not see a huge difference rising the software.

Software requirements are always a bit off because I have seen benchmarks of people seeing improvements of 5min exporting in premiere pro just by upgrading from 16GB to 64GB.

I am now strongly considering the 7900 because that power consumption is like 3.6x less compared to the i9 13900K. I didn’t consider the power consumption so it was an eye opener the help I found here.

However I just wonder if that kind of power consumption that the NG shows isn’t like continuous peak power? I wonder if I would be around those values?

I like to leave the PC on the whole night because I don’t feel like closing all softwares and opening them again in the morning. Will the power consumption be much different between the machines?

 

[IGBT]

Just watched another video on YouTube where the op said that intel is best for everyday work using these softwares I meantimes because the idle power consumption of the amd is higher. We never utilise the cpus at full power which makes sense.

 

[IGBT]

Idle power is a complicated topic and there are huge threads on internet forums about the best option. In your case, if you will be using the CPU at 100% for long periods (e.g. 5-8 hours a day), I think the saving from running an efficient CPU like the 7900 (at least, against the Intel -K CPUs in a stock configuration) would far, far outweigh the approx 20-30 watts increase in idle power consumption with unoptimised Ryzen systems. But, I have only seen comprehensive idle benchmarks for Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000), not Zen 4. I've also never seen an idle benchmark with the Ryzen IGP (with Zen 3, AMD CPUs with IGPs were idle competitive with Intel).

TLDR: If the YouTuber was referring to every day work (like Microsoft Office and surfing), that conclusion is not valid for a heavy-use productivity PC.

As you can see in the anandtech article I linked earlier, you can also run Intel CPUs power-limited (or buy a non-K CPU), so you can easily achieve more efficiency at 100% load than the benchmarks show.

Thanks for your prompt reply. I would say that the cou will most of the times in idle.

100% utilisation is only when export or doing some more heavy work.

Here’s the YouTuber:

INTEL & AMD both lied! REAL WORLD power consumption is MESSED UP

Intel & AMD have both 'lied' about their real world power consumption. Here's the Truth:Sponsored Message:Whokeys 25% discount code : TN20 Windows 10 Pro O...

youtu.be

He’s a creator. Please let me know your thoughts.

 

[IGBT]

I see. But I will not be using the software for 8H everyday. I might use LR, PS and Topaz maybe 2 or 3 times a weeks for 8H maybe 10H. I also leave the computer turned on so that all software being used stay open.

I will then of course use the PC for normal work.

Is the AMD still the best choice?

By the way, what cooler do you guys recommend?

 

[IGBT]

Thank you for your input. All this stuff of eco and pbo are new terms to me.

I was watching again GN and I am thinking, should I go with the 7900X and maybe use it in eco mode since the price difference to the 7900 is just £30? Then I need more power in the future I can bring it to stock.

If not worth it maybe will go with the 7900.

 

[IGBT]

Understood, thanks. And in terms of boards what would you recommend?

 

[IGBT]

I am sitting on this setup:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (and use it in eco mode 105W, with loss of 8% performance)
MSI PRO B650-P Wi-Fi AMD Socket AM5
Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2x 32GB) 5200MHz DDR5 RAM
Crucial P3 2TB PCIe NVMe M.2 2280 SSD

PSU haven't researched yet, but was looking at this one: MSI MPG A1000G PCIe5 1000W/Corsair RMe Series 1000W or Gigabyte AORUS P850GM 850W. Do I need a 1000W PSU? Maybe for the future?

The final price is hovering around £1200.

The GPU for now I can use the one that comes with the processor or use my old AMD 7870 meanwhile.

What do you guys think?

 

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Hi guys, thanks very much for your patience. Just few comments about your suggestions:

1. The 7900X3D seems to not add any gains for productivity. Only games. So probably I am better off with the 7950X no?
2. The SSD to be honest I was thinking about the ADATA GAMIX S7 Blade because of its speed and technology but then thought, well do I really all that speed. Probably go back to this one case you guys think it is a good bet.
3. The board, quite like the Asus TUF B650-Plus however it does not come with wireless integrated. Would need to spend another £30 or so on an external PCIe WiFi board. If you were to tell me that it is better anyway to have an external WiFi board, probably will go with this. I found this one MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX that has 3 m.2, 14+2+1 80A and includes WiFi. It seems a nice middle ground. What do you think? However that Aorus looks great.
4. The supply, I think the 1000W is a good option because of the price I have seen: difference of £30 or so to the 850W.

So, after another iteration, I am now with this:

MSI MPG A1000G 1000W PCIe 5
Kingston Fury 2x32GB DDR5 5600MHz
MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5
Ryzen 9 7950X
Adata Gamix S7 blade 2TB

I look forward to your inputs.

 

[IGBT]

I've just upgraded to a 13700k & I do productivity workloads - more 3D oriented, so Unreal Engine, Cinema 4D, Octane Render, ZBrush etc etc
The reason I chose the Intel is purely because I could do a cheap upgrade re-using my DDR4 & slightly cheaper motherboards vs AM5. Also because it's my home machine & I do a lot of gaming on it.
If I were building a brand new system with DDR5 & if gaming wasn't a concern, I would go with the AM5 non-3D cache. They are just more efficient and offer a very good future upgrade path.
If you're not insterested in gaming, I'd skip the 3D v-cache CPUs, as good as they are, because it isn't going to matter too much to you.
You should also be honest with yourself about how much all-core CPU workload you're actually going to be doing. If a lot of your stuff is more lightly-threaded Adobe stuff, then 7900x & 13600k are better to look at.
Ask yourself if you'd be better off putting more into the GPU for your workloads.
I also chose to power limit my 13700k. I was able to achieve over 95% of the multicore performance with 190w, where default is 253w + , because boards don't limit it by default. It only took about 1hr of adjusting a few settings & running benchmarks.
It had the additional advantage of lowering temps & I'm only using an air cooler, albiet a high-end one.
I would definitely use the 125w eco-mode on the AM5 CPUs, you lose basically no performance using 2/3 of the normal power.

Thanks for your input. In your case, yeah, makes sense since you have already DDR4 and a PSU. My PSU is only 550W and my memory is only DDR3.

EDIT: I am really undecided here:

Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX AMD Socket AM5
MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK Wi-Fi AMD Socket AM5

Which one do you think is the best choice?

 

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I am in a very similar boat, even started a thread recently looking for advice. In similar budget also.

I am almost pulling a trigger on:
- AMD 7950x
- MSI B650 Edge Wifi (was gonna go for Rog Strix motherboard but its £50 more and seems to be worse off on I/O and power distribution, if I am not wrong)
- 2x 32GB Corsair Vengeance Black - 6400mhz
- Corsair RM1000x Shift 1000watt ATX 3.0 PSU (Went off PSU Tier List)
- I do have a WD Black PCIe 4 NVME 1tb M.2 SSD in the basket but might change it to something else, the speeds aint the best.

So far I am on £1420 basket.

I have a GTX1080 so not worried about getting a GPU now, rather future proof the whole system for later.

Was gonna go with 13700k but as mentioned in your thread, the power draw kinda pushed me away and decided to go all out AMD. Still deciding if I should pull the trigger on this build though because After Effects and Premiere Pro gave me a nice little BSOD in middle of the project on my current PC )

Edit:
Another reason I am considering AMD is future CPU support. I believe Intel is no longer supporting this socket going forward so if you do want to upgrade the CPU in future, you will have to buy another motherboard.

Amazing. I was really inclined to the i9 - 13900K and sometimes I have second thoughts (hahah!) because it looks like the apps I use benefit more from intel processor but I will stick with the Ryzen. I am just curious about that corsair DDR5 - I saw then and thought if it is worth the extra moneys.

The SSD I am looking at this from ADATA - it is insanely fast and it is Gen 4x4.

 

[IGBT]

I am in a very similar boat, even started a thread recently looking for advice. In similar budget also.

I am almost pulling a trigger on:
- AMD 7950x
- MSI B650 Edge Wifi (was gonna go for Rog Strix motherboard but its £50 more and seems to be worse off on I/O and power distribution, if I am not wrong)
- 2x 32GB Corsair Vengeance Black - 6400mhz
- Corsair RM1000x Shift 1000watt ATX 3.0 PSU (Went off PSU Tier List)
- I do have a WD Black PCIe 4 NVME 1tb M.2 SSD in the basket but might change it to something else, the speeds aint the best.

So far I am on £1420 basket.

I have a GTX1080 so not worried about getting a GPU now, rather future proof the whole system for later.

Was gonna go with 13700k but as mentioned in your thread, the power draw kinda pushed me away and decided to go all out AMD. Still deciding if I should pull the trigger on this build though because After Effects and Premiere Pro gave me a nice little BSOD in middle of the project on my current PC )

Edit:
Another reason I am considering AMD is future CPU support. I believe Intel is no longer supporting this socket going forward so if you do want to upgrade the CPU in future, you will have to buy another motherboard.

What's the difference between mag b650 tomahawk wifi vs MPG B650 EDGE WIFI?

 

[IGBT]

£50 , aestetic differences and the Edge has a gen 5 M.2 slot whereas the Tomahwak only has gen 4 slots.

Amazing, and can it run ECO mode 105W? The edge.

I'd take the Gigabyte, but they both look good. If it matters to you, I think the Tomahawk has superior audio (Gigabyte don't specify), it definitely has more jacks and spdif, which the Aorus lacks.

Fab. I am inclined towards the Gigabyte. Do you Tetras if we can ECO to 105W on this board? I have decided and go with DDR 6000MHZ like Haz123.

 

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Hi all. Just wondering, is the be quiet! Is Black Pure Base 500DX compatible with the Corsair RM1000x Shift ATX 3.0 with a connector on the side? I see that the case has a shroud that might interfere with this.