Advice on 2 builds

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Hey all,

Looking for a sanity-check/bit of advice on a pair of builds before I go ahead.

### Build 1 ###
My ageing Q6600 on Abit IP35 which I bought from OcUK around 5/6 years ago now is finally getting to the point where I feel it could do with upgrading. It's not *struggling* as such, but the CPU fan is beginning to get a bit noisy (or at least spin up more frequently than it used to) and I've been seeing some benchmarks that suggest I'd see decent enough improvements to justify it.

I've already upgraded a couple of things: The case and PSU - to an Antec P183 with their CP-850 PSU designed for that case. I also picked up an MSI GTX 560Ti a year or two ago so I *could* hold off a little longer in that area. I've also got a pair of 500Gb drives in there at the moment (one has my current OS, the other I use as a dump for things like FRAPS), but I've got plenty of storage on a seperate server machine, so can hold off on this too.

Here's what I was planning on getting:

i7 3770K
Gigabyte Z77-D3H
16Gb of Corsair Venegance LP (or similar)
256Gb Crucial M4 (or maybe a Samsung 840 Pro)
Cooler - maybe a Dark Rock Pro
Basic soundcard - Asus 5.1 DG or something
Basic optical drive (mine is still IDE)

Any recommendations/advice? I feel the above is informed by a fair amount of reading on the forums etc. but I'd like to be sure. The machine is used for gaming, but also a reasonable amount of 3d modelling+rendering, some video encoding, messing about with VMs and such like - which I think makes the extra cost of the i7 worthwhile. I did consider the SB-E i7 3820 which could be had for a *similar* sort of price overall, but I honestly don't think that A. I will ever be able to justify upgrading to a £400+ Hex-core in the future, and B. Many of the features of the X79 boards would be wasted on me. Budget-wise around £600 - £700... of course anything I save here could be put towards the other build and/or a new GPU (I may try to sell off my Q6600 and 560Ti to raise a bit towards a GTX 670 or something).

### Build 2 ###
I also have a little server machine, originally bought on a bit of a whim to mess around with when I had no real idea what I would end up using it for. It's one of those integrated Intel Atom boards (quite an old one, can't remember the exact model number) with 1Gb of RAM, installed in a Fractal Design Array R2, currently it only has a scavenged 320Gb drive for the OS and a single 1Tb drive for storage.

I'd like the machine to be a bit more powerful, I use it as a file/media server at home (running Ubuntu) but have also messed around running TeamSpeak on it, Minecraft as one point (which worked OK), had a go with a TF2 server (did not work OK, but it was running MvM which I think must be pretty CPU heavy). I'd also like to be able to use it as a general mess-about linux machine, do a bit of web stuff, mess around with some random development things, maybe try setting it up as a render-slave for the 3d stuff on the other machine.

So my plan was if I get a mini-ITX H61 board and put a cheap-ish processor in it (I guess a pentium/celeron?) then that would give it a bit of a boost for now, but down the line when I next upgrade the other machine I can recycle the i7 and maybe a few other bits to give it another kick... Does that sound like a reasonable plan or am I overlooking something?

I'd also like to expand the storage with a RAID5 or RAID6 setup at some stage, and looking at the mini-ITX offerings it seems my best bet is a standalone controller card, but I've not really looked into this before, any suggestions? For now I think I'll just be upgrading the other components, but I'm just considering options for buying a few 2Tb/3Tb drives and a controller card in the future.

I don't want to spend a lot on this system if possible, so would be going for mostly budget parts where I can. It's got to be quiet and suitable for 24/7 running (currently the tiny fan on the Atom is very loud and irritating - I don't want to be able to hear it from the next room whilst going to sleep as I can at the moment). Budget for this one would be as little as possible, certainly no more than about £200.

Any and all comments + recommendations welcome :)
 
1 x Intel Core i7-3770K 3.50GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £259.99
1 x Samsung 256GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD256BW) £209.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £79.99
1 x Alpenföhn K2 Mount Doom CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £59.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX16GX3M2A1600C11) £55.99
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
Total : £696.94 (includes shipping : £10.00).



basic sound card is no better than onboard for me, which is a good one anyway

1 x Samsung 256GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD256BW) £209.99
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £179.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £79.99
1 x Alpenföhn K2 Mount Doom CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £59.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX16GX3M2A1600C11) £55.99
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
Total : £616.93 (includes shipping : £10.00).



most will say if gaming etc the i7 isn't needed, but that depends on the games you play etc, once OC'ed the i5 is a great chip for the price

have no idea either of sff pc's, never built one in 20 years so can't spec for that sorry

1 x Samsung 256GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD256BW) £209.99
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £179.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H100i High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (Socket 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £99.98
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £79.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX16GX3M2A1600C11) £55.99
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
Total : £656.33 (includes shipping : £9.50).



the liquid option, just if you like the choice
 
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Both of them seem very well thought out, good to see.

I can only help you with the first build, as i know less than nothing about servers.

You are right to go with the i7, as it will help 3D modelling and editing. Obviously the 3930k is the ultimate CAD chip but way out of a decent price range.

I am tempted to say you should think about upgrading your GPU. It's still a good card but games are using more and more VRAM and 1GB may be limiting in a few month/years.

The 7850 is a good card at a really good price, simular to the performance of the GTX 570 (maybe a bit better).With 2GB of VRAM, itll be £150 well spent.

On the cooler note you have many options. If you have £60+ left id suggest the K2, D14 or TC14PE or maybe the Dark Rock 2 Pro (thats the twin tower one right?)

On a lower budget, the CM 612s or Venom vodoo are good choices. As is the CM Hyper 412/212.

You don't need a sound card as onboard sound is really good now-a-days.
 
Cheers for the replies guys...

Yes, I've read a lot of discussion on the forums over i7 vs i5... But I figure it should make a difference for some of the applications I use so I'm happy to pay a little extra. The other common thing seems to be "Is HT bad for some games?" with people turning it off etc... I'd prefer not to have issues and keep switching it on or off - but I could cope. Out of interest does the windows part of these new BIOSes allow you to toggle HT from within windows? (That would certainly make it easier if I ever encounter a game which struggles with it)

Sounds as though for the other components I wasn't far off with what I originally thought. I'm slightly wary of the K2, D14, Dark Rock 2 type coolers, perhaps it's silly but I worry a bit about such a giant heatsink hanging off the board :s

I considered the all-in-one liquid coolers too but having read around they don't sound good enough to be worth it, as well as *occasionally* having some problems - be it noisy pumps or in worst case all out failures. I'm not planning to try and do any extreme 4.5GHz+ overclocks, so I don't really need tons of headroom - I'll be happy with a nice 24/7 4.0GHz that runs reasonable cool and quiet.

Thanks for the advice about the soundcard, I think my current board (Abit IP35) has Realtek onboard audio and it has been a bit screwy in the past. I guess by the sound of it the board manufacturers have tightened things up a little bit. I'm not an audiophile by any means so it should be fine!!

I'd love to upgrade the GPU as well but like I said what I may do is try to sell off what I can of the old system and my current GPU to raise a little bit of extra cash towards a new GPU first.
 
i use a i7, never needed to turn it off, and never looked either if i could tbh

it will work fine, no better in some games, no worse in others, but some it helps so depends but i'd go for it, i did and haven't looked back as yet

i use a full tower cooler, it's great, its the Zero Infinity Phantom Knight CPU Cooler, and its a monster, but works well and keeps OC cool with little noise
 
The i7 is a god choice for yourneeds, seems someone has covered the gaming pc as for the server if your looking a 1155 board to recyle your i7 in down the line then that could work but processor wise i would recommend atleast an i3, with that if you are running teamspeak and a minecraft server or tf2 and teamspeak you shud have no issues with lag as the i3 is a pretty respectable dual core and for ubuntu server which uses little cpu power while running leaves you a lot of room for servers and such if you were lookig to get one something like this would suffice

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i3-3220 3.30GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £89.99
1 x Gigabyte H61N-USB3 Intel H61 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Mini ITX Motherboard £66.98
1 x Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-15000C11 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1866C11D3P1K2/8G) £41.99
Total : £210.36 (includes shipping : £9.50).



its 10 pound over budget, you could get cheaper ram if you wished i recommended the kingsto stuff as i have it and its brilliant ram
 
Glad to hear someone happy with their i7 decision...

Perhaps I'll just go for one of the chunky coolers then, I guess they wouldn't make them if they were hazardous to the motherboard (or would they? :p )... I'll have to double check it will fit in my case but I think the P183 is pretty large so should be alright. I'm not bothered how it looks (no case window) so long as it performs well.

Has anybody had any luck convincing Microsoft to let them re-activate a copy of Windows 7 after upgrading? I remember I did this once a long time ago with XP, I just had to give their customer service a quick ring to explain I'd changed my motherboard and done a re-install... Not sure if they're still okay with this - I'd prefer not to have to buy a new copy of course!

Thanks for the server spec above too... I'll have to think about whether I can stretch to that - since you don't include a cooler can I assume that in this case the stock intel cooler should be alright for this purpose? Would you say an i3 is significantly more powerful than the cheaper pentium/celerons (and taking power/heat into account as well)?
 
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Has anybody had any luck convincing Microsoft to let them re-activate a copy of Windows 7 after upgrading? I remember I did this once a long time ago with XP, I just had to give their customer service a quick ring to explain I'd changed my motherboard and done a re-install... Not sure if they're still okay with this - I'd prefer not to have to buy a new copy of course!

yes you can a friend of mine did the same thing except it was just a reinstall of windows, he had to ring them and they reactivated it for him over the phone
 
oem depends on how many times its been re armed/ activated, retail no worries and phone call does it easy with no problems whats so ever, even online works with retail some times as long as you haven't done it loads of times with retail, good luck
 
Good good, well I don't want to directly link to competitors but I think I'm okay to say that my version of Win 7 came via Microsoft's Student offers - as far as I know the "student" part only related to the purchase conditions, and it's otherwise a completely ordinary copy of Win 7 Home Professional. Fingers crossed that will be okay (I'm not a student anymore but hopefully that doesn't matter).

If not I'll have to just run out and grab a copy of Windows 8 :(
 
Having given it some thought I think I might go for this for the main system... It's a combination of some of the ideas above (thanks again!) and some attempts to capitalise on things which are on sale this week...

Silly question but is there anything else I should be picking up? I've got some experience building (for instance moving my system from one case into another, switching a PSU, changing memory, graphics card) but not putting together an entire system.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-3770K 3.50GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - OEM £239.99
1 x Crucial RealSSD M4 256GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive (CT256M4SSD2) £149.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £79.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX16GX3M2A1600C11) £55.99
1 x BeQuiet Dark Rock 2 CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £45.98
1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
Total : £602.33 (includes shipping : £9.50).

 
Ah, that's a good spot! I'd not seen a mini-ITX with that many ports before... It says it supports RAID 5 but not 6? Are there any disadvantages to using the motherboard RAID rather than a standalone card? (I assume this just means the board has a RAID controller chip on it somewher?)

It's a little bit more expensive than the H61 boards I was looking at (they were more like £50-60ish, keeping the costs down a bit)... But I'll have to have a think, for now I'll post this here to remind me

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i3-3220 3.30GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £89.99
1 x Asus P8H77-I Intel H77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 MiniITX Motherboard £83.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Genesis Grey 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX) £47.99
Total : £233.36 (includes shipping : £9.50).

 
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