After 16 years i've left local gov

[TFU] Thegoon84 · 22 Jun 2018 at 23:37

AS the title says... I can be honest and frank now mwahha.... the tory fan boys are laughable.... how they can sit there and spin garbage about their take on poverty (lol) and how universal credit is really helping people is hysterical.

You're all a bunch of spoon feed ***no swearing***.... There's "football team" mentality of supporting the team your parents supported, but there’s the humanity in you that should question your believes.

Anyways.... Having spent 6 years on the front line of tory welfare i'm out, UC is single handily killing people, literally.... i truely believe that we need to break the cycle of "benefit families"... But not through sanctioned starvation and segregation.

rubberduck · 22 Jun 2018 at 23:52

People always have the option of turning down universal credit. Jog on /thread

Minusorange · 22 Jun 2018 at 23:55

Kermit said:
so whats your suggestion for breaking the cycle of benefit families or in typical labour fashion do you not have an answer only a dream?

Universal income, every person gets enough to be able to house, feed and keep themselves warm during winter, basically enough money to survive, want anything more and well.... you'll have to work for it

Sure you'll have folk who will do the bare minimum but you'll find a lot more will be productive and the vast majority will have much happier lives as a result

Or we continue down this path of ultimate self destruction that society is on course towards

rebel rebel · 22 Jun 2018 at 23:55

I don't blame you, thousands have killed themselves or died after having their DLA/PIP stopped.
I think labour gave Atos the contract though.

jsmoke · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:06

What exactly is wrong with universal credit?

rubberduck · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:11

rebel rebel said:
I don't blame you, thousands have killed themselves or died after having their DLA/PIP stopped.
I think labour gave Atos the contract though.

Hi. I would be delighted to see the statistics on how UC has caused a massive spike in suicide rate.

Freddie1980 · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:13

Do you have any suggestions on what the government could be doing differently to improve peoples life's or how we break the cycle of whole families living a life on welfare and benefits?

BDEE · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:14

So what about all the department heads in local government who spend hundreds of thousands at the end of the year just so they don't lose budget in the next year (which they then do the same with again).

What is the weather like there up on that high horse? Before going slating the system you should look at the sheer waste that goes on in local government.

Freddie1980 · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:18

[TFU] Thegoon84 said:
You're all a bunch of spoon feed arse-whole.... There's "football team" mentality of supporting the team your parents supported, but there’s the humanity in you that should question your believes.
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Why shouldn't the people who live in cities like Newcastle and Liverpool just continue to vote Labour just because that's how their parents voted? Your political beliefs are a result of your upbringing and environment is perfectly natural for people to vote the same way as their parents did.

terley · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:25

29 years old, Mum is a labour supporter, dad was a lib dem supporter.. neither ever voted conservative..

Had a modest income and fell just above the poverty line in general terms, some family have recieved benefits at points during their lives.

I am a conservative support NOW, because labour represents covert communism and the only party garunteed to save us from that hell is conservative, not my fault our political system is a joke.

But right now the only viable party is conservative.

VincentHanna · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:30

terley said:
I am a conservative support NOW, because labour represents covert communism .

Lolz

terley · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:36

VincentHanna said:
Lolz

Almost every labour supporter i know, and i know A LOT.. are preaching variations of communism/socialism on a daily basis.

rebel rebel · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:36

rubberduck said:
Hi. I would be delighted to see the statistics on how UC has caused a massive spike in suicide rate.

Hiya. It's not just UC it's ESA and PIP claimants too.

https://welfaretales.wordpress.com/?s=Suicide

jsmoke · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:49

terley said:
29 years old, Mum is a labour supporter, dad was a lib dem supporter.. neither ever voted conservative..

Had a modest income and fell just above the poverty line in general terms, some family have recieved benefits at points during their lives.

I am a conservative support NOW, because labour represents covert communism and the only party garunteed to save us from that hell is conservative, not my fault our political system is a joke.

But right now the only viable party is conservative.

Depends who's in charge of the Labour party as regards to it following communism. Brown and Blair certainly weren't whereas some of Corbyn's ideas are more in line with communism. Somebody in here will explain it better, it's too late at night for me.

dowie · 23 Jun 2018 at 00:53

terley said:
Almost every labour supporter i know, and i know A LOT.. are preaching variations of communism/socialism on a daily basis.

I guess momentum certainly attract hardcore socialists and plenty of people who are at least sympathetic to communism

they should have had the other Miliband brother elected as leader and then perhaps they'd be worth considering these days

Fubsy · 23 Jun 2018 at 01:14

jsmoke said:
What exactly is wrong with universal credit?

Nothing.

However, the rollout (up to 3 months without ANY payments coming in, and these are people with no savings at all) is causing people to dip into the realms of misery and then offering no reasonable way out and causing people to become ill/desperate and some take drastic actions.

darael · 23 Jun 2018 at 01:22

The Conservatives aren't called a "Nasty Party" for nothing!

jsmoke · 23 Jun 2018 at 01:24

Fubsy said:
Nothing.

However, the rollout (up to 3 months without ANY payments coming in, and these are people with no savings at all) is causing people to dip into the realms of misery and then offering no reasonable way out and causing people to become ill/desperate and some take drastic actions.

I see but there is a thing called advance payment I also see.

Fubsy · 23 Jun 2018 at 01:26

The complaint then is that the repayments of that advance eat into the UC payments going forward until paid off. Sounds fair to most of us, but when you're that skint to start with I suppose £5-£10 a week is going to make a dent.

Bottom line is it should be taking that long.