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AGP 7600GS Replacement?

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Hi,

I have an AGP 7600GS which seems ill, it artefacts badly on Battlefield 2 yet runs FS2004 just fine!

having swapped the card with another I assume the GS is duff so I need a replacement.

Would a 7300GT 512MB cut the mustard? - its for my #2 pc so I don't want to spend much, and the OcUK GeForce 7300 GT 512MB DDR2 HDTV/DVI (AGP) for £38.76 inc VAT seems perfect.

Will it be ok for Battlefield 2? - It'll be living in an old p4 1.8, 512BM RAM - or I may well put it in my #1 machine which is currently using a 6800LE 128MB as it works!

Or, do I post in the MM's "Wanted" section for something around £40 ???

Thanks.
 
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i would say not . (though not completely sure what you expect) sure it will run but how well....

the 6800le is somewhat better in my opinion.
 
I'd try to get the same card or higher. The 7300 at stock isn't that good from what I can remember. I'm sure they overclock for fun though but at even the highest clocks it still might be inferior to the 7600. I'm not 100% on that though but I am positive that at stock the 7300GT card is no match for the 7600GT and I can't imagine the 7600GS being miles away in performance from the 7600GT.
 
Well, the 7600GS ran BF2 great @ 1600 x 1200 everything set to high (except AA) on my #1 rig (A64 3000+, 2.5GB DDR400) until the artefacting issue, so I put my old 6800LE which was in my #2 PC back into #1 - it certainly won't run BF2 @ the same settings.

I'm just after a stop-gap to last me until I upgrade my PC in the Spring (which spring is debatable!) as long as it runs Battlefield 2 reasonably well, I'll be happy. :)
 
You could chance it with the 7300GT. Although would you be willing to overclock the snot out of it if it could give you near performances of your current card?.

Battlefield 2 with 7300GT DDR2 (same card (not manufacturer) OCUK have for sale)

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2006/06/29/eVGA-GeForce-7300-GT-256MB-DDR2/p4

(same review) Battlefield 2 with an overclocked 7300GT DDR2

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2006/06/29/eVGA-GeForce-7300-GT-256MB-DDR2/p8

I think with an overclock it seems a worthwhile buy but I don't know for sure. From another review I've just read overclocking didn't see a massive improvement in the 4 games they tested but that could be old drivers or anything.
 
You could chance it with the 7300GT. Although would you be willing to overclock the snot out of it if it could give you near performances of your current card?.

Battlefield 2 with 7300GT DDR2 (same card (not manufacturer) OCUK have for sale)

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2006/06/29/eVGA-GeForce-7300-GT-256MB-DDR2/p4

(same review) Battlefield 2 with an overclocked 7300GT DDR2

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2006/06/29/eVGA-GeForce-7300-GT-256MB-DDR2/p8

I think with an overclock it seems a worthwhile buy but I don't know for sure. From another review I've just read overclocking didn't see a massive improvement in the 4 games they tested but that could be old drivers or anything.

Thanks J.D. for the review google! - I failed there - I think I'll go for the 7300GT , put it in my main rig, clock it to death & relegate the 6800LE to my #2 again. as I say its only a stop gap until the new rig arrives, and thats just so me and my mate can play on the same server when he comes round to visit!

Its only £40 after all. :)

Cheers.

Edit, I've just spotted the Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3850 Pro 512MB (AGP) on the OC site, £111 inc I am sorely tempted, am I mad?
 
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Thanks J.D. for the review google! - I failed there - I think I'll go for the 7300GT , put it in my main rig, clock it to death & relegate the 6800LE to my #2 again. as I say its only a stop gap until the new rig arrives, and thats just so me and my mate can play on the same server when he comes round to visit!

Its only £40 after all. :)

Cheers.

Edit, I've just spotted the Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3850 Pro 512MB (AGP) on the OC site, £111 inc I am sorely tempted, am I mad?

Nae problem m8 :).

Hmm 7300GT or 3850 hmmmmmmm :D. Crazy jump from "lets see if I can play BF2 roughly the same as my older card" to "How is Crysis fairing these days" :D.

Well if you were to upgrade your whole PC any time soon then that AGP card would be useless unless you think that rig number two would have a nice hand me down in the time to come as then I don't think you could get rid of your m8 with such lush graphics with the 3850.

If it's going to be in use when you upgrade and will give you much better than the performances of both the 7600GS and 7300GT put together and then some then I would suggest that you get the 3850 and really enjoy having the performance upgrade in every title.
 
Nae problem m8 :).

Hmm 7300GT or 3850 hmmmmmmm :D. Crazy jump from "lets see if I can play BF2 roughly the same as my older card" to "How is Crysis fairing these days" :D.

Well if you were to upgrade your whole PC any time soon then that AGP card would be useless unless you think that rig number two would have a nice hand me down in the time to come as then I don't think you could get rid of your m8 with such lush graphics with the 3850.

If it's going to be in use when you upgrade and will give you much better than the performances of both the 7600GS and 7300GT put together and then some then I would suggest that you get the 3850 and really enjoy having the performance upgrade in every title.

I think I'll probably go for the 3850 then.

In all honesty, my PC replacement keeps getting put back as & when something crops us as it always does!, so the 3850 will certainly get some use! - I can see myself buying an X2 939 to go with it now! :D

I was initially thinking of an X1950 AGP but could not justify the cost / performance but from what I'm reading of the 3850 AGP on 't web, it seems to have the muscle to keep me gaming with my current museum piece.

All good then.

Thanks again J.D. , not the conclusion to this thread that I was expecting, but, happy none the less. :)
 
Just when I walked into OC/UK thinking I know what I am going to buy, I made the mistake of asking the chap behind the counter what did he think.


For the money, he suggested that I went for an HIS ATI Radeon X1950 Pro 512MB AGP which is going into my #1 Machine, and also, 1GB of RAM for my #2 Machine which will be gaining the 6800LE in theory, both machines will be happy playing Battlefield 2 at high ish settings which will make me happy.

I was a bit surprised that he did not agree with the 3850AGP being my best option, that said, I do know the 1950's are regarded well, so I decided to go for that instead.

Free games via Steam thrown in too! :)

Should keep me happy until next year (not too bothered about Crysis et al tbh)

Finally, I can enjoy my sniper antics on BF2 @ 1600x1200 with Max AA & AF and no slow down - its only taken me about 2 years to get there.

LOL! - I Started the thread asking about Nvidia 7300's, considered the 3850 ATI and ended up with neither!:o


And I think I was looking over Spies shoulder whilst he browsed Facebook! :D


Thanks again J.D. for the advice even though I seem to have ignored it!
 
Just when I walked into OC/UK thinking I know what I am going to buy, I made the mistake of asking the chap behind the counter what did he think.


For the money, he suggested that I went for an HIS ATI Radeon X1950 Pro 512MB AGP which is going into my #1 Machine, and also, 1GB of RAM for my #2 Machine which will be gaining the 6800LE in theory, both machines will be happy playing Battlefield 2 at high ish settings which will make me happy.

I was a bit surprised that he did not agree with the 3850AGP being my best option, that said, I do know the 1950's are regarded well, so I decided to go for that instead.

Free games via Steam thrown in too! :)

Should keep me happy until next year (not too bothered about Crysis et al tbh)

Finally, I can enjoy my sniper antics on BF2 @ 1600x1200 with Max AA & AF and no slow down - its only taken me about 2 years to get there.

LOL! - I Started the thread asking about Nvidia 7300's, considered the 3850 ATI and ended up with neither!:o


And I think I was looking over Spies shoulder whilst he browsed Facebook! :D


Thanks again J.D. for the advice even though I seem to have ignored it!

Hahaha nice one but I have to question something. From what I can see on the site the X1950Pro is nearly £100 where the 3850Pro is only £23 dearer at £123. At that difference I would have taken the the 3850 without thought. That card is much better for your resolutions than the X1950. If the price was a bit different then fair enough and I agree on that advice given by OCUK sales rep.

(2900 stock is 600Mhz core and 800Mhz memory) I've had the X1900XT then moved to the 2900Pro and have played that card at stock and heavily overclocked (past 2900XT speeds) and the difference was quite impressive over the X1900 with the 2900 @ stock and took another great jump with the 2900 @ 850Mhz core and 1000Mhz memory overclocked. I reckon at stock the 2900Pro was even slower than the 3850 at stock so with a speed jump I could see it being a good bit faster than the X1950 you've been advised on. The £23 extra would provide more bang for buck I think at stock and then you can overclock them pretty well also.

I'm not trying to deflate your purchase m8. With having used the X1900 for a while and having a card which is a little bit lower than the 3850's performance at stock and having used it with a bump up in speed I have had first hand experience with these cards and know that the 3850 at £23 dearer is a much better buy. Especially for 1600x1200.

Hahaha Spie on Facebook :D. He will be getting watched by the CIA then as they created it.

Edit:

I've just looked through a lot of reviews and it seems as if that 3850Pro would have been the better buy. There's no 3850 Vs 1950Pro but the 2600XT is practically the same speed although it is a little bit faster. Gareth had one and ran a good few tests and it was neck and neck with the 1950Pro in most cases if not all. Also note that these reviews are coming up 6 months old and there's been a few releases of drivers since then that have helped performances raise. If the 3850 card was only 23% dearer then he's not given you the best advice I feel.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd3850/6.htm

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2217141,00.asp

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/591/3/

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI_Radeon_HD_3870_and_3850_55nm_RV670/?page=6

This last one please note that this is a 6 month old review and the card in comparison is a X1950XTX which is a good deal quicker than a X1950Pro. Again on ancient drivers for the 3850.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151&p=9
 
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Hahaha nice one but I have to question something. From what I can see on the site the X1950Pro is nearly £100 where the 3850Pro is only £23 dearer at £123. At that difference I would have taken the the 3850 without thought. That card is much better for your resolutions than the X1950. If the price was a bit different then fair enough and I agree on that advice given by OCUK sales rep.

(2900 stock is 600Mhz core and 800Mhz memory) I've had the X1900XT then moved to the 2900Pro and have played that card at stock and heavily overclocked (past 2900XT speeds) and the difference was quite impressive over the X1900 with the 2900 @ stock and took another great jump with the 2900 @ 850Mhz core and 1000Mhz memory overclocked. I reckon at stock the 2900Pro was even slower than the 3850 at stock so with a speed jump I could see it being a good bit faster than the X1950 you've been advised on. The £23 extra would provide more bang for buck I think at stock and then you can overclock them pretty well also.

I'm not trying to deflate your purchase m8. With having used the X1900 for a while and having a card which is a little bit lower than the 3850's performance at stock and having used it with a bump up in speed I have had first hand experience with these cards and know that the 3850 at £23 dearer is a much better buy. Especially for 1600x1200.

Hahaha Spie on Facebook :D. He will be getting watched by the CIA then as they created it.

Edit:

I've just looked through a lot of reviews and it seems as if that 3850Pro would have been the better buy. There's no 3850 Vs 1950Pro but the 2600XT is practically the same speed although it is a little bit faster. Gareth had one and ran a good few tests and it was neck and neck with the 1950Pro in most cases if not all. Also note that these reviews are coming up 6 months old and there's been a few releases of drivers since then that have helped performances raise. If the 3850 card was only 23% dearer then he's not given you the best advice I feel.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd3850/6.htm

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2217141,00.asp

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/591/3/

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI_Radeon_HD_3870_and_3850_55nm_RV670/?page=6

May have been Spie - I'm sure somebody called him "Mark" - I'm probably way off the mark on that one! :o

This last one please note that this is a 6 month old review and the card in comparison is a X1950XTX which is a good deal quicker than a X1950Pro. Again on ancient drivers for the 3850.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151&p=9

Hmm, interesting stuff, ultimately, its was down to price and reluctance to fork out too much on two old & antiquated systems not to mention advice from the Shop itself!

#1 is an A64 3000+, Gigabyte Nforce3 939 Mobo & 2.5 GB DDR 400.

#2 An old P4 1.8 With a lowly 512MB DDR 400 and now my 6800LE (previously a knackered 7600GS)

The combined cost of the 3850 & 1GB RAM (to help #2 run BF2 better) was £158.60 inc VAT but, he - the O/C chap - felt that I would not get the best from the 3850 due to my old aged single core CPU, RAM etc.

Whilst being a bit surprised at this, it sounded right ,I suppose, so, I decided to go with his advice & save a bit of cash, given that I started off planning on spending about £40. :o

Having briefly scanned through some of the links, I wish with hindsight that I'd gone for it, but I was thinking whats the point of a high end card if my low end CPU is going to strangle it (from what chap said) so it seemed logical to me that the 1950 would be better suited to my CPU, thus far, it certainly seems so.

In a nutshell, would such a bottleneck exist to the point where I'd get no benefit from the extra "oomph" of the 3850?

Ultimately though, having spent the evening playing BF2 and getting a consistent 40+ FPS (4xAA 8xAF 1600x1200) regardless of what was going on around me in busy servers, which previously could reduce the game to a stuttering mess, I'm chuffed with the BF2 improvement & as its the main game I really spend any time on, all good there.

FS9 & FSX, my other two main pastimes, are also vastly improved. :)

In other words, disregarding the 3850's reviews, this card has blown me away, I was not expecting such a big jump from the 7600GS (when it worked!:D) and thus far I am an extremely happy bunny with regard towards my new and first ATI card.

I have not got the first clue about setting it up mind you, overclocking etc - it has an auto overclock in the 8-3 drivers I've downloaded but I seem to get a flicker on my 2D desktop when I try to run @ whatever settings it deems good. :confused:

In the end, spent about £95 more than I initially planned to, but, I now have what I wanted, BF2 looking & running superbly on my main machine and the #2 machine is running BF2 better again (albeit @ lower settings) than it ever has before. :) which fits my requirements perfectly.

I wonder if the old 1950's are no longer selling & OC wanted rid of them? I'd be interested to hear Gibbo's views on that one.

Well, its in my PC now & I'm happy with it, I doubt I'd be able to go back & change it for the 3850 (plus the difference) anyway - It works and does what he said it would.

It is a bit annoying though ,but, its still one big improvement on what went before.

Ho hum! - I should have listened to the Forum advice & ignored the shop's.!!!!

Anyway, Back to BF2. :)
 
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the 7600gt AGP is a nice step up from the 7600gs. There is a review here http://xtreview.com/review140.htm

When i was on AGP, i upgraded from a 7600gt to a x1950pro and while it was a nice upgrade, most games wern't much better. I was playing at 1280x1024. If you had an AMD x2 cpu and 2gig RAM and you didn't want to do a full upgrade, i might try to get a 3850pro AGP

EDIT: oops you have already purchased!
 
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the 7600gt AGP is a nice step up from the 7600gs. There is a review here http://xtreview.com/review140.htm

When i was on AGP, i upgraded from a 7600gt to a x1950pro and while it was a nice upgrade, most games wern't much better. I was playing at 1280x1024. If you had an AMD x2 cpu and 2gig RAM and you didn't want to do a full upgrade, i might try to get a 3850pro AGP

EDIT: oops you have already purchased!

What was the spec of the PC you ran the 7600 & 1950 with mate? (CPU, RAM Chipset etc) ta. (just curious)
 
What was the spec of the PC you ran the 7600 & 1950 with mate? (CPU, RAM Chipset etc) ta. (just curious)

s939 3800 x2 @ 2.6 ghz and 2gig DDR 3200. motherboard was an asus a8v deluxe which sell for a lot of money on ebay! erm via chipset so not that bad a system really. Was hanging on for the 3850pro few months back but took the plunge and went c2d, 8800gt, 4gig ddr :D
 
s939 3800 x2 @ 2.6 ghz and 2gig DDR 3200. motherboard was an asus a8v deluxe which sell for a lot of money on ebay! erm via chipset so not that bad a system really. Was hanging on for the 3850pro few months back but took the plunge and went c2d, 8800gt, 4gig ddr :D

The plunge I was debating instead of this purchase tbh mate, I'll leave it 12 months or so now & see whats around then.......

I'll just overclock my 3000+ until it dies I suppose. :)

Cheers. :)
 
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