AIO or Air cooler
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Says who. The Phanteks Evolv micro atx, NZXT Manta and Fractal Design Nano S will all fit pretty decent air coolers.
Some people think they know everything when they know almost nothing.
There are many air coolers that fit into mATX and iTX systems. While it all depends on what case, motherboard and RAM are used, there are always air coolers that will fit .. be they quite small in some combinations, others will accept the largest coolers made.
Casterina, what case and components are you thinking of using? And just out of curiosity, why do you "plan to overclock"? Especially on a The 6700k is very fast at stock speed and no real gains in gaming speeds when overclocked (0.15-3.0%).
If you want a quiet system use air cooling. Good air cooling is much lower cost, less chance of problems, much quieter (especially at high load), and the only thing to go wrong is the fan (easily fixed at low cost & system will work with any fan temporarily). If you go CLC and something goes bad it's the pump 99.9% of the time, and with no pump the system will simply not work at all.
smilertoo, you are talking trash. Define R5 has 180mm CPU clearance while PH-TC14PE is 160mm tall .. 20mm of clearance is not 'just fits' in my book. The only possible clearance problem I can think of is if you have stupidly tall RAM (45mm tall) and the front fan just barely fits between RAM and case.
There are many air coolers that fit into mATX and iTX systems. While it all depends on what case, motherboard and RAM are used, there are always air coolers that will fit .. be they quite small in some combinations, others will accept the largest coolers made.
Casterina, what case and components are you thinking of using? And just out of curiosity, why do you "plan to overclock"? Especially on a The 6700k is very fast at stock speed and no real gains in gaming speeds when overclocked (0.15-3.0%).
If you want a quiet system use air cooling. Good air cooling is much lower cost, less chance of problems, much quieter (especially at high load), and the only thing to go wrong is the fan (easily fixed at low cost & system will work with any fan temporarily). If you go CLC and something goes bad it's the pump 99.9% of the time, and with no pump the system will simply not work at all.
smilertoo, you are talking trash. Define R5 has 180mm CPU clearance while PH-TC14PE is 160mm tall .. 20mm of clearance is not 'just fits' in my book. The only possible clearance problem I can think of is if you have stupidly tall RAM (45mm tall) and the front fan just barely fits between RAM and case.
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Top air is as good as AIO, especially CLC. There are a couple AIO that are not CLC that are better than air.
The only reason any CLC out performs top air is they use extremely loud high airflow fans. Running at similar noise levels CLC can rarely keep up with top air.
Put similar high airflow fan on a top air cooler in a case with matching airlfow and air coolers are easily as good.
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No argument at all from me. I pointed out you were wrong in what you posted. You argued that you didn't say what you said, and I point out that you did. 
As for 'overclocking to 4.6GHz', air cooling will do as good a job as CLC every day of the week. That is fact, not argument.
As for 'overclocking to 4.6GHz', air cooling will do as good a job as CLC every day of the week. That is fact, not argument.
Soldato
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Means the same thing
There are air coolers that will do the job that you want
There are air coolers that will do the job that you want
AIO is All in One
CLC is Closed Loop Cooler, sealed system with no provision for changing components or topping up coolant.
All CLCs are AIO, but not all AIOs are CLC
Some AIOs are basically a pre-filled component kit. They are not CLCs. They have quality pumps that are much more powerful than CLC pumps and can move much more coolant and quality copper radiators, not cheap aluminium one that depend oh high density fins and high airflow to cool. Their components (pump, radiator, fitting, hose) can be replaced and changed. The loop can have more components added, like a GPU waterblock and additional radiator .. and the pump has the ability to handle the added components.
Right now the only ones I know of are Swiftech and EK Predator.
I have not used one, so can only go on what others have said. To me at best, it's the illegitimate offspring of a CLC that was raped by an AIO .. at worst it's a mutation resulting from chemicals or radiation exposure. It has a fill plug on the pump and a pump that does flow more coolant than other CLCs, but it is still using aluminium radiator with high fin density and high speed / high airflow fans. End result is it has similar cooling ability at similar noise levels as air coolers. Slap high airflow fans that make similar noise as Triton's fans and you get similar cooling from the air cooler. Only difference is with air cooler the case airflow has to be increased too, or cooler is force to reuse it's own heated heated exhaust air, meaning higher cooler intake air temps and higher CPU temps.
It has a fill plug on the pump and a pump that does flow more coolant than other CLCs, but it is still using aluminium radiator with high fin density and high speed / high airflow fans. End result is it has similar cooling ability at similar noise levels as air coolers. Slap high airflow fans that make similar noise as Triton's fans and you get similar cooling from the air cooler. Only difference is with air cooler the case airflow has to be increased too, or cooler is force to reuse it's own heated heated exhaust air, meaning higher cooler intake air temps and higher CPU temps.
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I use a swiftech 220x have 3 fans fitted to it and it keeps up with my overclocking efforts! Just . I researched all kits and went with that one because it has copper radiator and is essentially a prebuilt open loop system as it can be added to should out so wish.
. I researched all kits and went with that one because it has copper radiator and is essentially a prebuilt open loop system as it can be added to should out so wish.Indeed! Swiftechs are quite good.I use a swiftech 220x have 3 fans fitted to it and it keeps up with my overclocking efforts! Just
Have you considered adding another radiator to your loop?
May I ask what your CPU and coolant temps are?
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I thought the term CLC was used prior to these being around but I must have missunderstood so ignore my comment on CLC and AIO being the same if thats the case
My other point still stands from my experiance of AIOs
Some pumps are noisy and some are not even if its the exact same model, its a bit of a gamble. Fans are always worth considering changing as the supplied fans are noisy in my experience although they can be managed with a fan controller that still means they will be noisy at higher RPMs
I really liked the Phanteks on my old H110, they had a great unobtrusive sound to them under load
The use of CLC has been around for some time. When Asetek announced / patented the "CLC' cooler concept it was called LCLC for Low Cost Liquid Cooling (or Cooler) .. that became CLC rather quickly. While lower cost than a real liquid loop, they were higher cost than even the best air coolers .. and of course no better unless running at hoover noise levels.
CLC pumps are just barely able to flow the needed amount of coolant to keep waterblock from running hot. Triton flows more, but same cheap radiator, so no net cooling improvement.
Using Phanteks fans on your H110 not only increased the cost substantually, but also lowered overall cooling ability because they run slower and flow less air than the stock fans. So you ended you with a rather expensive cooler that performed no better than a top tier air cooler costing much less. Sorry to be harsh, but that's what accurate data proves over and over and over.
Most cooler testing is not done accurately. The testing is most often done in a case on the pretext it give 'real world' results. Fact is every case and every system flow air and cool differently, so the only 'real world' is the testers'. Compound this with the use of room air temp (not the air temp going into cooler or radiator) and we have an instant 5-25c variance in actual airflow temp the coolers / radiators are using. Rarely does a case system have cooler intake air temps less than 5c above room temp .. it's usually 10-15c .. and not uncommon to see 20-25c. The use of room temp for cooler intake is like cooking in the kitchen and looking at bedroom thermometer to check the kitchen temp.