All Season Tyres
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I don't understand what you're getting at.[TW]Fox;17454308 said:
They're winter and cold weather tyres. Obviously it won't be snowing all the time, but if it's cold enough then they make sense. If it's not cold enough, then obviously it's not worth it.
Although they do still grip very well in warmer temps.
Newcastle Average High: January 6.2c, Feb 6.7c. The average low is never below 0c - infact the lowest average low for Newcastle is 0.6c in January. Obviously this means it will on occasion be less than 0c, but generally, the UK isn't winter tyre land.
Which is why we don't sell many here and why there is no legislation about them here.
We are just obsessing and being OTT because we had some freak weather last year. Thats all.
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I'm a seasoned user of winter tyres after living in Munich for 5 years. I wouldn't ever consider buying them in England, we just don't have the climate for it.
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I'll be putting my budget winter tyres on in November I'd imagine, served me well last winter.
The winter before I had brand new (well, a couple of months old) Eagle F1s and they were sliding everywhere at all kinds of speeds - even leading me to get snowed in on one occasion as I couldn't get out of the garage due to the layers of ice/snow/ice/snow/powder (our driveway was like a piste! - I know as I tested it out all day
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The winter tyres last year were incredible in comparison, only sliding when provoked and when they did let go they gripped again with ease. I think they were £80 a corner iirc, so £20-30 cheaper than my F1s, and I kept them on from November - April as I intend to do this season.
Yes this was in North Yorkshire where we get it fairly bad and the roads don't get gritted often if at all, but when visiting my gf in North London they were also useful to pass the countless Range Rover Sports and X5s on their summer tyres spinning all 4 wheels away endlessly
Edit: I know we're on about all-season tyres not winters here, but thought I'd add my two pence worth in for good measure!
The winter before I had brand new (well, a couple of months old) Eagle F1s and they were sliding everywhere at all kinds of speeds - even leading me to get snowed in on one occasion as I couldn't get out of the garage due to the layers of ice/snow/ice/snow/powder (our driveway was like a piste! - I know as I tested it out all day
)The winter tyres last year were incredible in comparison, only sliding when provoked and when they did let go they gripped again with ease. I think they were £80 a corner iirc, so £20-30 cheaper than my F1s, and I kept them on from November - April as I intend to do this season.
Yes this was in North Yorkshire where we get it fairly bad and the roads don't get gritted often if at all, but when visiting my gf in North London they were also useful to pass the countless Range Rover Sports and X5s on their summer tyres spinning all 4 wheels away endlessly
Edit: I know we're on about all-season tyres not winters here, but thought I'd add my two pence worth in for good measure!
These figures always seem to have arbitary random summer tyre v superhotamazing winter tyres, though.
I mean just comparing the braking distances of a 'summer tyre' in a 'look how amazing winter tyres are' comparison shows that a decent summer tyre with figures taken from the Autocar tyre test stops some 6-7m quicker from 62mph at 20c than the flimsey 'winter tyre' data shows a 'summer tyre' taking at 20c...
And thats all we ever get isnt it, generic soundbites like that or 'comparisons' done by people who wish to sell you winter tyres without any reference to the brands of tyres used.
I would be genuinelly interested in the wet and dry braking distances from 62mph of the same car fitted with both Potenza RE050A *and* 'a cheap winter tyre'. Because I'm really not sure the night and day difference you think is there, actually is.
Once there is snow everywhere - absolutely fair enough.
There are two people in this thread - wicksta and mjt - who have lived in places where winter tyres ARE used. Both of them have proper, realworld experience and both of them agree that really, in the UK, you dont need them. I beleive wicksta even thinks they are a liability half the time.
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I was talking about zero / sub zero temperatures, not 20C or in wet or dry.
This video is pretty decent and showing the difference the 3 types of tyre. I know it's on an Ice rink but the difference is big.
The compound is what matters when the external factor is temperature. No rubber can be nice and soft at 0C and still be decent on a hot summers day (Summer tyre).
A lot of thew Scottish S2000 owners go for winter tyres in the winter on spare wheels.
This video is pretty decent and showing the difference the 3 types of tyre. I know it's on an Ice rink but the difference is big.
The compound is what matters when the external factor is temperature. No rubber can be nice and soft at 0C and still be decent on a hot summers day (Summer tyre).
A lot of thew Scottish S2000 owners go for winter tyres in the winter on spare wheels.
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I was using that to highlight the big discrepency in figures, thats all. My point being that if the difference between what they claim a summer tyre can do at 20c and what proper tests have shown proper summer tyres can do at 20c is huge, why should we trust the difference they claim at lower temps? The data is flawed.
Because its on an ice rank! I totally agree that in snow and ice a good winter tyre is absolutely brilliant and definately the way forward.
Show me another video on a wet or dry road at 5c - ie what you'll typically find in the UK on a midwinters day.
I think we are talking about RE050A's as they are RFT's on a BMW.
I expected better from you. You know thats not what I'm saying at all. You know very well the point I'm making. If it was as ridiculously simple as you've just made it look with that pathetic comment why don't you pop over to San Diego or Darwin and ask them why they don't fit winter tyres in winter
Winter tyres are not for winter - they are for harsh wintry conditions. You'd need them in summer in some parts of the world as well
Ok so what is your experience of Winter versus summer tyres in 0-6C. You seem to wax lyrically about opinions yet all I am hearing is second hand ones ?
I don't understand, your 'thoughts' are from the Autoweek 2008 review.
What tyres were even reviewed in that one because I would imagine if your assessed all of Bridgestone's tyres then you may get a fair test.
OP is about all season tyres too not winter.
I don't understand, your 'thoughts' are from the Autoweek 2008 review.
What tyres were even reviewed in that one because I would imagine if your assessed all of Bridgestone's tyres then you may get a fair test.
OP is about all season tyres too not winter.
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Given that neither of us rotate our tyres between winter and summer tyres every October and March I suspect we are both talking from the same position.
Why would I run winter tyres if I beleive it to be of no value in this country?
Unless you are going to come out and say you've run a high end winter tyre on your S2000 back to back with a high end summer tyre, in non snowy conditions above 0c and the braking capability was much better on your winter tyres you are in no better position than me.
You've ignored the person in this thread with proper, real world winter tyre experience anyway - wicksta lived in Germany for 5 years, rotated his tyres, and still thinks we dont need them here.