AM4 BOARD OPTIONS?

cruisinbeatz · 7 Jul 2024 at 23:26

Hey folks, I need an AM4 board and as I see there isn't many options out there. I had an Asus x570 hero WiFi and loved it for its connections and biforcation features but I know I won't get all again. That board died last year 2 days outside of warranty and Asus wouldn't cover but to my absolute shock ocuk had a customer return that couldn't be sold and offered it to me FOC and I was over the moon and so grateful however this board now too is slowly dieing with various issues and ocuk tech support has also verified so anyhow.... I need a new board. I would love to go ITX/Micro as I would like to get a smaller case than a Corsair 5000 if possible but I know my options are so limited. Can anyone give me any recommendations?

5950x
64GB 3600
Several SSD in data and NVME but these can be moved or changed.

I can't afford to do a full upgrade right now and my current spec does all I need and more.

Thanks in advance

Gray2233 · 7 Jul 2024 at 23:36

cruisinbeatz said:
Hey folks, I need an AM4 board and as I see there isn't many options out there. I had an Asus x570 hero WiFi and loved it for its connections and biforcation features but I know I won't get all again. That board died last year 2 days outside of warranty and Asus wouldn't cover but to my absolute shock ocuk had a customer return that couldn't be sold and offered it to me FOC and I was over the moon and so grateful however this board now too is slowly dieing with various issues and ocuk tech support has also verified so anyhow.... I need a new board. I would love to go ITX/Micro as I would like to get a smaller case than a Corsair 5000 if possible but I know my options are so limited. Can anyone give me any recommendations?

5950x
64GB 3600
Several SSD in data and NVME but these can be moved or changed.

I can't afford to do a full upgrade right now and my current spec does all I need and more.

Thanks in advance

If you're looking to downsize on top of your above needs, sell them and move to AM5.

There's precious few options out there that fit your needs right now for good prices prior to your desire to shift to M-ATX let alone ITX. It doesn't need to be super expensive on the CPU either, depending on your workload anyway a 7900X would out perform your current by a fair margin at around £350.

Given you're on a 5950 you want a damned good motherboard with solid VRM's, and there's not a lot of them available for purchase anymore, in fact many of those readily available should be avoided like the plague.

cruisinbeatz · 7 Jul 2024 at 23:43

Gray2233 said:
If you're looking to downsize on top of your above needs, sell them and move to AM5.

There's precious few options out there that fit your needs right now for good prices prior to your desire to shift to M-ATX let alone ITX. It doesn't need to be super expensive on the CPU either, depending on your workload anyway a 7900X would out perform your current by a fair margin at around £350.

Given you're on a 5950 you want a damned good motherboard with solid VRM's, and there's not a lot of them available for purchase anymore, in fact many of those readily available should be avoided like the plague.

Yea even full ATX would do but as you say it's slim pickings. Sure realistically I'll not get much for my current hardware and with demands for members market harder here now too it would be next to impossible without going to an auction site to be ripped off or scammed. I really don't know what to do as I really can't afford a full change including ram.

Gray2233 · 7 Jul 2024 at 23:55

cruisinbeatz said:
Yea even full ATX would do but as you say it's slim pickings. Sure realistically I'll not get much for my current hardware and with demands for members market harder here now too it would be next to impossible without going to an auction site to be ripped off or scammed. I really don't know what to do as I really can't afford a full change including ram.

Totally understandable.

Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

Credit to: @LukeSavenije The following list is based on facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems. The list will include boards that support CPU overclocking available at retail from different brands. There are still differences in performance among boards of the same tier. As a result, ...

linustechtips.com

Hold in mind many within the "tier list" are LN2 maxing chips out, for standard use anything from S to A should be fine, maybe B depending on what you do with the processor and for how long.

Tetras · 7 Jul 2024 at 23:59

Gray2233 said:
Hold in mind many within the "tier list" are LN2 maxing chips out, for standard use anything from S to A should be fine, maybe B depending on what you do with the processor and for how long.

If the OP's board isn't very good, couldn't eco mode be enabled which would reduce the load and the temps?

I'd have thought something like the B550 Tomahawk would be sufficient if they're willing to go ATX again.

cruisinbeatz · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:02

Gray2233 said:
Totally understandable.

Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

Credit to: @LukeSavenije The following list is based on facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems. The list will include boards that support CPU overclocking available at retail from different brands. There are still differences in performance among boards of the same tier. As a result, ...

linustechtips.com

Hold in mind many within the "tier list" are LN2 maxing chips out, for standard use anything from S to A should be fine, maybe B depending on what you do with the processor and for how long.

Oh nice one, didn't know they had that. Thank you for your help. Getting a board new could be fun with a home remortgage lol. Is the 7000 chips really that much better? And is supposed to release info on their next lineup soon too I heard is that right?

Gray2233 · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:04

Tetras said:
If the OP's board isn't very good, couldn't eco mode be enabled which would reduce the load and the temps?

I'd have thought something like the B550 Tomahawk would be sufficient if they're willing to go ATX again.

Within reason, the problem is he's using a 5950X and probably for work use as I can't imagine random gamers picking it up.

Many of the AM4 boards have utterly garbage VRM's to the extent even with those sort of settings the chip will throttle hard on a lot of boards, that improved a lot with the B550's but the ones I'd feel comfortable recommending are like hens teeth.

The OP is best off imo doing a rebuild, he used to have MM access but lost it due to post count which is very unfortunate. More so given half the people that retain access do so by posting misinformed poop (usually a hit and run) on the hardware sections, so it's certainly not helped the quality of information on here.

Gray2233 · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:08

cruisinbeatz said:
Oh nice one, didn't know they had that. Thank you for your help. Getting a board new could be fun with a home remortgage lol. Is the 7000 chips really that much better? And is supposed to release info on their next lineup soon too I heard is that right?

The 7900X is a chunk faster than the 5950X:

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Review - Creator Might, Priced Right

The Ryzen 9 7900X is a creator's dream. It offers 12-cores and 24-threads that perform fantastic not only in highly-threaded workloads, but single-threaded performance is also there. Priced at $550 it sits right in the middle between Ryzen 9 7950X and Ryzen 7 7700X.

www.techpowerup.com

That said, if your focus is productivity the Intel 14700K might be a much better buy in the price range, but you do lose long term upgrade options as Intel is already on a dead socket vs AM5 being supported until 2027.

@Tetras is a much better source than I am in terms of Intel chips and their performance.

cruisinbeatz · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:10

Gray2233 said:
Within reason, the problem is he's using a 5950X and probably for work use as I can't imagine random gamers picking it up.

Many of the AM4 boards have utterly garbage VRM's to the extent even with those sort of settings the chip will throttle hard on a lot of boards, that improved a lot with the B550's but the ones I'd feel comfortable recommending are like hens teeth.

The OP is best off imo doing a rebuild, he used to have MM access but lost it due to post count which is very unfortunate. More so given half the people that retain access do so by posting misinformed ******** (usually a hit and run) on the hardware sections, so it's certainly not helped the quality of information on here.

You are correct sir, video editing and found the 5950x great for ripping through footage. However I have since moved on from video editing or rather I have 2 clients remaining and then won't be doing any editing other than just some basic personal videos perhaps of my son or general family. Seems I have a few things to consider and looks like either way I'm going to have to spend some $$$$. Makes it harder that work is stopping. Makes it harder to justify upgrading per se.

Tetras · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:13

cruisinbeatz said:
Is the 7000 chips really that much better?

Generally speaking, you'd need the tier down to match the multithreaded performance. E.g. Ryzen 7 7700 (8 cores) is similar to the 5900 (12 cores) and a Ryzen 9 7900 (12 cores) is similar to the 5950 (16 cores). Single thread performance is different and even the entry-level 7600 is a step forward, despite getting smashed in anything decently threaded.

cruisinbeatz · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:14

Gray2233 said:
The 7900X is a chunk faster than the 5950X:

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Review - Creator Might, Priced Right

The Ryzen 9 7900X is a creator's dream. It offers 12-cores and 24-threads that perform fantastic not only in highly-threaded workloads, but single-threaded performance is also there. Priced at $550 it sits right in the middle between Ryzen 9 7950X and Ryzen 7 7700X.

www.techpowerup.com

That said, if your focus is productivity the Intel 14700K might be a much better buy in the price range, but you do lose long term upgrade options as Intel is already on a dead socket vs AM5 being supported until 2027.

@Tetras is a much better source than I am in terms of Intel chips and their performance.

Oh I haven't been intel in quite a while since I got out of baking lol couldn't keep them cool. My last was an 8700k. Honestly moving to intel would mean changing my cooling from a 360 radiator too. Don't think my aio has a modern mounting bracket. I suppose that could be the same for am5. Ahhh.... Just keeps getting harder and costly.

Tetras · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:15

cruisinbeatz said:
I suppose that could be the same for am5.

Which cooler is it?

cruisinbeatz · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:17

Tetras said:
Generally speaking, you'd need the tier down to match the multithreaded performance. E.g. Ryzen 7 7700 (8 cores) is similar to the 5900 (12 cores) and a Ryzen 9 7900 (12 cores) is similar to the 5950 (16 cores). Single thread performance is different and even the entry-level 7600 is a step forward, despite getting smashed in anything decently threaded.

Oh I see, I didn't realise there was such a jump forward. I knew yes there would be improvements but not that vast. Seems I am very out of touch with tech.

cruisinbeatz · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:20

Tetras said:
Which cooler is it?

Oh umm... Silverstone PermaFrost 360 ARGB 360mm AiO Liquid CPU Cooler going by a quick Google search. It looks like it anyhow only in white. Obviously colour doesn't matter.

Gray2233 · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:29

cruisinbeatz said:
Oh umm... Silverstone PermaFrost 360 ARGB 360mm AiO Liquid CPU Cooler going by a quick Google search. It looks like it anyhow only in white. Obviously colour doesn't matter.

If it works on AM4 it'll very likely work on AM5.

I have zero idea about Intel, they seem to change things up every third release for the hell of it.

Gray2233 · 8 Jul 2024 at 00:35

Tetras said:
I'd have thought something like the B550 Tomahawk would be sufficient if they're willing to go ATX again.

I had a google around on this, it's a viable board for the 5950 outside of extremes and can be had for £130 in stock with other outlets.

AMD B550 Motherboard First Look & VRM Temperature Test

At long last AMD more budget-oriented B550 motherboards will finally go on sale. There's been plenty of talk about the B550 chipset and all the supporting boards...

www.techspot.com

Definitely an easy fix.

I still think at this point it's good money after bad, especially if wanting to downsize.

Tetras · 8 Jul 2024 at 01:39

Gray2233 said:
I have zero idea about Intel, they seem to change things up every third release for the hell of it.

115x and 1200 are the same fittings I think, but the newest 1700 is different.