AM4 or AM5?

[Deleted member 209350]

I know that its probably far too early to answer this question, but if you were looking to upgrade to Zen3 next year, possibly the last AM4 iteration - would it be worth it?

Or is it better to just hold off another year and wait for AM5

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Interesting viewpoints, im current only AM4 with the Ryzen 2600 - Im in no rush to upgrade but I do feel ill benefit massively by going to a zen3 - But then Im sure im can hold out and id rather go for a full build with AM5 instead of just a mini upgrade with zen3

Its a tough one for sure, but I feel like the 5700x is going to be something ridiculous, let alone the 5900x or the 5950x

 

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Tbh I have been on about upgrading for months and months from my i7 4790k to Ryzen but am honestly trying to hold out for PCIE 5.0, DDR5, AM5, 5nm cause I don't see it being another jump after that for a good number of years.

With that I could see the system lasting long enough as my current has. Since you are already on AM4 though then I can see the final AM4 chip making sense as upgrade if the BIOS allows on Mobo.

I guess the question is - do you actually need to upgrade

Im sure most people dont need to upgrade anything at this point as their systems are running fine, its more a case of wanting to upgrade and being a little too impatient

 

[Deleted member 209350]

No. Only that sTRX4 will live for long time only.


AM5 is 2y away by the way and that would require a huge investment because doubt DDR5 ram would come cheap. Also first AM5 boards would be same with 300 series. Massively outdated from their second gen counterparts (2022). So you are looking a good 3 years wait with the 2600?

yeah true, Im thinking it might be best to do a mini upgrade with Zen3 (i.e just upgrade the CPU) and then when AM5 comes out I can do the full shabang in 2-3 years time

 

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Partly, I could do with my GPU tbh as on a 4k monitor, however having been on that for 5 years I would currently rather go 1440p/144hz if I was to upgrade now.

Going from there though a full new system seems sensible rather than upgrade item by item at this stage, and so going on that view might as well wait so that don't feel like missing out on what appears to be a pretty solid change that will last similar amount of time with possibly only GPU upgrades for a number of years then.

1440p 144hz is definitely the sweet spot when it comes to gaming monitors so its definitely worth a shout

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Isn't it usually every two generations?
Although it depends whether you consider their last 3 or 4 actually to be new generations.
But before the 14nm stagnation it was every 2 usually but people love to exaggerate Intel's platform compatibility or lack of it for some reason.

Yeah believe it is every 2 gen's, but the fact its on the same architecture is what makes it stupid. No reason to change the mobo's when you're still on 14nm

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I'm considering a new build myself and currently trying to decide to whether to jump on AM4 or wait. Especially if it could be be on DDR5

Depends on your current specs and how much you really need to upgrade

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I have waited so long now that zen3 (I assume AM5) simore likely to be purchased by me now. Gonna be hell of an upgrade lol.

Zen3 is still on AM4, but its likely the last. Zen4 onwards will be on AM5

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Thanks for clarification sir! Will be AM4 for sure then with my next chip. Defo not waiting this long again

Good shout! Zen3 looks to be amazing as it is so you definitely can't go wrong buying one of those chips. I will probably do the same as well, buy a decent enough zen3 chip to use with my b450 board, and then a few years down the line I will do the full upgrade to AM5 with DDR5, Pcie 5, 5nm process

 

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I have a 1600.. I feel (yes feeling isn't reality), that 6 core to 6 core is it enough of an upgrade. 2700x was seriously tempting, but again, it is prob only about 3600 level anyway right? (Any chip I buy will bad down to my daughter anyway rather than sell).

Given how much the latest AM4 boards are, I wouldn't expect AM5 to be cheap either. AM5 is clearly way too far out.

I think that it is great we are having real choices again. In some weird reversal... Price wise I have considered Intel again as well as they have had their hand forced.

Your feelings are wrong on this one... The Sheer IPC gain even from zen+ to zen2 made the 3600 perform better than the 2700x in most scenarios that I saw..

If you are jumping 2 generations from the 1600 to a 3600, it will be a huge upgrade

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I am doing encoding work as well bear in mind.

Ah, well in that case your work requires more cores in which case something like a 3700x or 3900x would be great

 

[Deleted member 209350]

The main problem with gaming is that the GPU's are so far behind the CPU's at the moment.

Most of the Ryzen 3000 lineup and Intel chips are just too powerful for pretty weak GPU technology atm. Nvidia and AMD really need to step it up a notch and work on getting much better GPU's, ones that will really stress the CPU and use it for its full capabilities

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Arguably doesn't that just mean games could be leaning more on the CPU for certain effects/systems?

I think a large part of the reason that they don't is the weak CPUs in the current gen consoles... Even for their time they were weak. The other part being up until very recently the 4 core max on PC... Perhaps with both consoles getting proper CPUs next year and the affordability of powerful 6 core+ systems in PC we'll finally start seeing more games that leverage that available power ramping up physics effects, much more resource intensive AI, perhaps moving some suitable effects from the GPU to the CPU? Already seeing some of the newer games perform significantly better on 6 core minimum - probably (hopefully) just the start!

Good point tbh, the cpu's up until recently (until AMD came back in) were very weak. Now that consoles are 8 cores, games will start to use all 8 cores in consoles - which of course will drip down into PC games!

Can't wait until 8 cores becomes the norm for PC's, its almost there - but once consoles are 8 cores as of next gen, it would be very silly for any PC builders to build anything with less than 8 cores (for gaming anyway)