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AMD 4000+ stock heatsink good enough for a 6000+??

Doubt it, the Retail one comes with a cooper/alu Heatpiped cooler like the Opty's

At the very least I used a Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro for one customer and a Noctua NH-U12F for one I had as I overclocked it. (both fans at 50% mostly until temps rise and speed up to 100%.
 
MR.B said:
Would a heatsink from a 4000+ X2 be enough to cool a 6000+ X2? :confused:
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Yes it would be. I dont see why not?

They are effectiviely the same chips, just running at different speeds. You most likely get the exact same heat sink fan with the 4000+ X2 that you would with the 6000+ X2 model.
 
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Thats the point, faster Chip, and I have already stated the X2 6000+ comes with the above
Opty Type heatsink in retail box, the X2 4000+ does not, it has a basic alu one same as most AMD CPU's they are fine though for CPU's they are supplied with.

I have bought many of both for customers, in end I went OEM once OCUK got them in as its better to use the £16 Artic Cooling one and it can run 50% speed most of the time.

If you buy a AMD top CPU now (ok there is a rip of 6400 now than any 6000 can do with raise of FSB instead of Multi) you can at least spend the £16 min to get it cooled and be safe with no worry or just buy the Retail one but the Artic Cooling one is better and quieter at 50% and 100% speeds.
 
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stickroad said:
Yes it would be. I dont see why not?

They are effectiviely the same chips, just running at different speeds. You most likely get the exact same heat sink fan with the 4000+ X2 that you would with the 6000+ X2 model.
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Thats like saying you wont ever need to buy another cpu cooler to overclock anymore, after all the next man's e2140 is the same chip as mine never mind the fact its running at 3.2ghz and mine is only at 2.12 no reason atall why he would need a better cooler :? .
 
i would say NO.

tho you can try it - ii have the stock heatsink from my 3700+ here... reminds me of what you used to find cooling 1.4gig t-birds, totaly hopeless.
then theres the one from my 4800+ certainly seems a damn site better than what we used to entrust our t-birds to when we wanted to push them ;)

it cant hurt to try - cpu will just shutoff if it over heats. but dont expect much
 
stickroad said:
Yes it would be. I dont see why not?

They are effectively the same chips, just running at different speeds. You most likely get the exact same heat sink fan with the 4000+ X2 that you would with the 6000+ X2 model.
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The could be very different chips! The 4000+ could be a 65nm Brisbane core with 512kb (per core) of cache running at 1.2-1.25V and has a TDP of 65W.

The 6000+ is a 90nm Windsor core with 1mb (per core) of cache running a 1.4V and has a TDP of 125W.

Even if the 4000+ is an older Windsor core (F2 stepping), they have a lower TDP of either 65 or 89W.

I would use a better cooler! A Freezer 64 Pro would do fine and is cheap.
 
Mhz doesnt make a massive difference to heat afaik, if you raise the volts at all then of course otherwise it shouldnt be any great increase
 
There is a major diff in heat generated by a 3GB over the 2.1GB then the added cache come on man, I have owned them all and the Heatisnk is major for the 6000+ in comparision to the other AMD retail ones.

I do not even see the point in asking this as you buy a retail CPU and get the proper heatsink or OEM save few £ to add to the £16 for a Artic Cooling job.
 
If the cpu structure is different then I wont disagree, I just meant on exactly the same cpu with same settings except lower vs higher mhz

I'll test it tommorow I think, I can half my mhz to see
 
power consumed for the same core, assuming no funnies with the architecture / processes will scale lineraly with frequency and cubed for volts (or squaired, i forget which, but is not linear anyway).

things go wierd as you approach extreems / fiddle with architecture. SOI for example tends to fall to pieces above certain frequencies/volts and starts hemoraging current = non linear scaling, you also have funnies like the htt / memory clock on amd machines could be running higher/lower depending on a variety of settings which will slightly alter the overall overall usage away from expected.

there is also a gradual drift as temps change, eg at 0c a "100w" chip might be using 95w, at 55c it may be 100w and at 85c 105w

back on subject, the 6000+ will be substantially warmer, tis not likely to work well.

assuming they were the exact same core, running same voltage, if the 2.1ghz chip consumed 65w the 3.0ghz one can be expected to consume 93w
 
No point in testing, the fact is a X2 6000+ (125watt) is hotter than a X2 4000+ (65watt)

P.S there is a 89watt X2 6000, it was announced months ago and it has now launched in Asia now but its still 90nm not newer 65nm.
 
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