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AMD 4x4 quad CPU system

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I have just started to hear details of this AMD system and want to know what peoples thoughts are on this, is it actually goig to be of any use or is conroe still going to be the way forwards? anyone got any idea of timescales for this?

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A pair of £500 FX62's which for single threaded applications (most games) will only just be a little faster than a £114 1.83Ghz Core 2. Hmm let me thing about that.
 
Corasik said:
A pair of £500 FX62's which for single threaded applications (most games) will only just be a little faster than a £114 1.83Ghz Core 2. Hmm let me thing about that.
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agreed for games that are out now then fair enough it wont be much faster but for the multi threaded games that are being released such as Crysis then surely two X2 5000+ will be comaprable if not better then the X6800?
 
Corasik said:
A pair of £500 FX62's which for single threaded applications (most games) will only just be a little faster than a £114 1.83Ghz Core 2. Hmm let me thing about that.
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it drives me up the wall when people always compare the cheapest to the most expensive - not really realistic when there are £100 AMD cpu's which are just as fast
 
james.miller said:
while that is an often-made mistake, in this case there are no a64's that are just as fast. overclocked or otherwise.
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Yep, the lowest Conroe is 50/50 the same performance as a FX-62, you really would have to be silly to not buy it.
 
don't forget before boasting 'just how fast' core 2 duo is that K8 is a generation behind, so when AMD release there competitor im sure we'll see more even performance, K8L is next, heavy revision of K8 with much higher FPU performance, more aggressive and efficient pre-fetching as well as some other revisions, K8L sounds like it could be a direct competitor to conroe IMO
 
AMD's cheapest processors are only 'just as fast' as FX62 if you overclock them.

On the other hand Core2 E6300 at stock speed 1.83Ghz is as fast as FX62 in a number of benchmarks, faster in a few, and not far behind in the rest.

K8 is not really a generation behind, Netburst and K7 are the 7th gen chips, Core2 and K8 are both 8th generation chips. Sure intel kept updating the process, and bolted on a few extensions, but netburst is still largely unchanged from its initial design.

Just how much extra performance future games squeeze out depends how they are written. Even threaded applications often end up with 1 or 2 heavyweight threads, and then a few lightweight ones. It could well be that dual core systems are the 'optimal' price/performance ratio for quite some time. No way to tell until the games are out.

I would love to know what K8L currently is. First time I read about it K8L was nothing more than a server chip with an additional FPU unit, next time I spotted anything about it, it was a quad core/single die processor, but no mention of the additional FPU's. Whatever K8L is, its not a competitor to Core 2 until its available, and that could be some time still.
 
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Corasik said:
AMD's cheapest processors are only 'just as fast' as FX62 if you overclock them.

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and exactly what forum are you on............................

Exactly my point, dont mis understand me the conroe is a great next gen chip compared to the X2 and A64 but you still shouldnt compare prices when lower/ cheaper chips in the same range can be oc'd to be just as fast as an FX-62
 
Ok, then overclock the 1.83Ghz Core2 and blow away any overclocked AMD you can think of then. Some people have got the 1.83 to 3.5Ghz, find me an AMD that can clock that high, and Core 2 is faster clock for clock than AMD64 anyway.

Its still valid, the cheapest Core2 is better than AMD for overclocking, and its 'pretty amazing' at stock speed too.
 
The problem is that even if they are $800 then that will equate to £600ish, they will have to spank the extreme edition conroe, especially as you will need 4 sticks of RAM to get the most out of it. :)
 
I know I’m not really looking forward to having to buy 4 ram sticks and 2 CPUs in a 4x4 system. Even if they are quick will many people realistically buy this? Will it actually provide any additional gaming performance? It seems to be that the GPU would just become a missing bottle next when you start talking about that much CPU power.
 
Cronox said:
I know I’m not really looking forward to having to buy 4 ram sticks and 2 CPUs in a 4x4 system. Even if they are quick will many people realistically buy this? Will it actually provide any additional gaming performance? It seems to be that the GPU would just become a missing bottle next when you start talking about that much CPU power.
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Not if you hade 4 graphics cards as well hence why it is called 4x4. :)

Imagine the cost of that. :eek:

Infact as i am bored all roughly lol,

Cpu x2 £600
Ram x4 £250
Mobo £150
Gfx quad x2 £700
PSU £110
Case £80

=£1890 :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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alothough AMD are seemingly aiming 4x4 at gamers this is not where it is gonna be best.
Most games aren't multithreaded so a single core at the same clock speed is gonna run a game just as fast as a dual/quad core.
For multi-threaded apps like encoding etc. it will be amazing. Also to think about is with the second socket and the upcoming Torrenza technology, you might be able to get something like a PPU to plug in to this socket instead of a second cpu.
However there's no point buying when it comes out "just incase" a torrenza based solution comes out.
Still we probably won't see these for a good while yet.
 
Corasik said:
Ok, then overclock the 1.83Ghz Core2 and blow away any overclocked AMD you can think of then. Some people have got the 1.83 to 3.5Ghz, find me an AMD that can clock that high, and Core 2 is faster clock for clock than AMD64 anyway.

Its still valid, the cheapest Core2 is better than AMD for overclocking, and its 'pretty amazing' at stock speed too.
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Please read what I said, I was talking about comparing PRICES
 
cymatty said:
Not if you hade 4 graphics cards as well hence why it is called 4x4. :)

Imagine the cost of that. :eek:

Infact as i am bored all roughly lol,

Cpu x2 £600
Ram x4 £250
Mobo £150
Gfx quad x2 £700
PSU £110
Case £80

=£1890 :eek: :eek: :eek:
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ram x 4 - £250 i remember my ram x2 cost £200 odd and arent the 7950GX2's a lot more than £350 each and you will need the most powerful PSU you can get your hands on and if your spending that much i would buy the best case i can get so your looking at £2200 ish then add hard drives, dvd writers the price would go up to £3000 because you would really need raptors to get the most out of the system
 
Psycho Sonny said:
ram x 4 - £250 i remember my ram x2 cost £200 odd and arent the 7950GX2's a lot more than £350 each and you will need the most powerful PSU you can get your hands on and if your spending that much i would buy the best case i can get so your looking at £2200 ish then add hard drives, dvd writers the price would go up to £3000 because you would really need raptors to get the most out of the system
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Well i was taking account of price drops as AMD 4x4 won't be here for a while so prices should be cheaper. :)
 
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