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AMD 6000 or Phenom BE for overclocking?

Scrubydoo

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I was wondering - which overclocks the easiest (or the best) out of the X2 6000 (Windsor) with it's fixed multiplier, or a black edition Phenom (say the 9950) with it's unlocked multiplier?

Since it's destined for a games-only computer, my main need is for GHz (although future games might make use of all 4 cores).

Don't want to wait for the deneb since AMD aren't noted for being on-time when releasing new chips!:p
 
Gaming & building from scratch = Intel.
AMD isnt anywhere near as overclockable.

Seeing as you're asking I'd say the Phenom, even though I know little about AMD chips these days.
 
Grimley said:
Gaming & building from scratch = Intel.
AMD isnt anywhere near as overclockable.

Seeing as you're asking I'd say the Phenom, even though I know little about AMD chips these days.
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The Phenom 9950 actually does a good job of beating comparable Intel chips at games... not so much in workstation apps, though.

For overclocking, the Phenom will have the higher percentage overclock, with colloquial and actual evidence of both chips going to 3.6GHz... so it's entirely up to you. The 6000+ will be cheaper, but slower...
 
The cpu I eventually get will be a stopgap until the denebs are out and been tested.

Don't want to go the intel route since 775 is a deadend socket now - plus the fact that they're overpriced unless you intend to do some serious overclocking. Few games really seem to depend on the cpu anyway (maybe some rts games) - it's usually down to the graphics card.
 
Grimley said:
Gaming & building from scratch = Intel.
AMD isnt anywhere near as overclockable.

Seeing as you're asking I'd say the Phenom, even though I know little about AMD chips these days.
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He did not ask for Intel V AMD advise so don't give it, or are you suggesting that guy does not know of the existence of Intel.
 
Pilky01 said:
What's the problem with recommending something that many people consider to be far superior
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Because he did not ask for it & the thread can needlessly lead to Intel v AMD when the OP has made it clear that Intel was not on the cards with his first post & does not need people droning on to get an Intel when he don't want one & end up with 80% of post being of no help to him with the CPU choices he asked for.

The Intel recommending is not needed because we all ready know anything that any one could say about recommending an Intel & does noting but waste space & time.
 
Hello Mate,

Which motherboard are you going to be pairing this chip with? Do you already have a mobo or will you be picking up a new SB750 based board?

If you have an SB750 Board then either is going to be a good option, however if its only a stop gap CPU until Deneb then I would prob looked at an overclocking X2 to keep the cost down. However I would be looking at the 65nm Brisbane or the E 45w series such as the 4450e or 4850e and then clocking it to over 3GHz.

Michael
 
I've yet to get a board - though I'd go for a SB750 if I could find one that's had a good review. Otherwise It's going to have to be something like the Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5 - which has the SB600.

Thought the Brisbane only had 1Mb L2 cache (2 x 512Kb) and the Windsor had 2Mb L2, or have I got that the wrong way round?

Can't find those other cpus - on Overclockers anyway.
 
Final8y said:
He did not ask for Intel V AMD advise so don't give it, or are you suggesting that guy does not know of the existence of Intel.
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It was just my opinion, that's all, & I gave him my opinion on what I thought would be the better AMD chip as well.
 
Grimley said:
It was just my opinion, that's all, & I gave him my opinion on what I thought would be the better AMD chip as well.
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Yes its your opinion that is very tiring as it is said by many time & time again.
How about every time you sat down to watch a DVD that was not the number one in the viewing charts an advert would pop-up at the at the beginning, middle & near the end on the movie telling you there is a better movie than this one & you should not bother with the moive you want to watch...click to continue & the only movie that did not have the pop-up was the one at the top of the charts at the time.
 
tbh people should stop saying buy intel, forget amd. everybody have they own choices. theres nothing wrong with amd. they cpu's are very good even for gaming.

without amd, intel prices would be sky high. so don't put amd down...

to OP. get a black edition cpu for easy overclocking... like the 9950 or 9850 or 6400+
 
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Had thought about getting the 6500 BE - although that seems to have had both a name change and delay in being marketed. As or the 6400 - rare as rocking-horse poo (even on Ebay)!

When it comes down to it, I'll probably get a 6000 and use the cash I save to increase my budget for a graphics card.

I just wish there were more SB750 boards around - they seem to be very slow in releasing them for some reason.
 
The Biostar TA790GX3 A2+ is the cheapest 790gx board I've seen and is available in the UK but you'd need to google it.
One reason I bought the 6400 is because it was clearly going to be the quickest chip available for non phenom AM2 boards. I'm hoping when the time comes it'll hold it's re-sale value quite well.
 
Final8y said:
Yes its your opinion that is very tiring as it is said by many time & time again.
How about every time you sat down to watch a DVD that was not the number one in the viewing charts an advert would pop-up at the at the beginning, middle & near the end on the movie telling you there is a better movie than this one & you should not bother with the moive you want to watch...click to continue & the only movie that did not have the pop-up was the one at the top of the charts at the time.
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I think by the time you've finished we may as well have had and Intel vs AMD war.

Time to move on lol.
 
Kribby2006 said:
I think by the time you've finished we may as well have had and Intel vs AMD war.

Time to move on lol.
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Move on! we had, you have not.

As i did not mention anything about the performance of the chips so there is no context for there to be any, so try to understand that.
My discussion is about others constantly nagging others to buy something they don't want & that can go for any product & have nothing to do with AMD v Intel.
 
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The only reason I didn't want to go the intel route is that their cpus are - in my opinion - overpriced for the purpose of running a games-only computer.

Also, the cost of an X48 board is considerably more that the cost of a 790FX - as I intend to run a crossfire setup eventually (and so P45 boards are out).

Cash saved by buying the cheaper (and just as effective for games) AMD cpu and board means an additional £80 or so for the graphics card budget. 1Gb 4870 here I come :)
 
My mate at the moment is wanting to upgrade his PC based around the Phenom, even though he knows that the similarly priced (or slightly more) Q6600 should overclock further.

However this hasnt swayed him, and £130-140 for a CPU that when paired with the new 750 southbridge mobo should hopefully allow him to get to 3.2-3.4GHz.
 
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