https://www.anandtech.com/show/1729...000-wx-series-zen-3-core-for-oem-workstations
Very interesting news.
Very interesting news.
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AMD Announces ThreadRipper Pro 5000 series (Zen 3)
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Zen 3 finally comes to Threadripper (PRO). Lenovo exclusive at first, but should see these comes to DIY market at some point this year.
For those people (companies) that can afford this, that is a lot of processing power that will be unrivalled in many applications and scenarios.
As for Threadripper (standard) - unlucky. TRX40 development is over.
I sincerely hope AMD has super high core count solutions for desktop Zen 4 Ryzen to partially replace HEDT.
For those people (companies) that can afford this, that is a lot of processing power that will be unrivalled in many applications and scenarios.
As for Threadripper (standard) - unlucky. TRX40 development is over.
I sincerely hope AMD has super high core count solutions for desktop Zen 4 Ryzen to partially replace HEDT.
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16 cores not enough for HEDT? With the clock speeds now on intel and AMD and the 16+ cores for both, surely that's enough for another generation yet no?
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As great as it is to see a new generation Threadripper CPU, unfortunately, after talking to manufacturers there will be VERY VERY little stocks of Threadripper CPUs and Motherboards across the board probably until next year. Components for the manufacture of WRX80 boards are on huge lead time with a likely 6 months lead until the components get manufactured and shipped to board manufacturers. TRX40 boards are EOL at most manufacturers with no replacement in sight. We have been pulling in stock where we can from round the world at significantly higher cost but even that has pretty much dried up.
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For a significant amount of our customers 32 Core is minimum. We are often building systems with 64Core and 512Gb-1Tb of memory and they have the ability to utilise the hardware. 16 core with 128Gb of memory will just not cut it for our customers.
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Kind of sad to see that TRX40 won't get an upgrade as when it came out they did say it would support multiple CPU release, but guess it does make sense as very niche product.
5975WX is quite exciting... 32 cores while maintaining very decent single-threaded performance (hopefully in practice as well).
But Lenovo P620's pricing is absolutely ridiculous. 5975WX with 16G RAM, 512GB SSD, without GPU costs £7,989.99. I'm sure this MSRP won't hold and it will go on sale for at least 20% off quite soon but still, that's very high for the 32-core option. Once you add in the RAM, storage and GPU (if needed) you're easily looking at a £10k machine. But hey, it has a DVD±RW!
The Zen 2 64-core 3995WX is only about £5000. With RAM and everything it could easily be under £7500. We should wait until we get these Zen 3 TR Pros in the DIY market before they become good value.
But Lenovo P620's pricing is absolutely ridiculous. 5975WX with 16G RAM, 512GB SSD, without GPU costs £7,989.99. I'm sure this MSRP won't hold and it will go on sale for at least 20% off quite soon but still, that's very high for the 32-core option. Once you add in the RAM, storage and GPU (if needed) you're easily looking at a £10k machine. But hey, it has a DVD±RW!
The Zen 2 64-core 3995WX is only about £5000. With RAM and everything it could easily be under £7500. We should wait until we get these Zen 3 TR Pros in the DIY market before they become good value.
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Companies won't buy from the website, normally get massive discounts going through your reseller compared to website prices same as when HP, DELL desktops/laptops/server they have even more room to maneuver on these as profit margins are higher.
Yeah searching the part number shows it's being sold at about £5800-£6000 by resellers. But I'd say that's still quite a high price compared to Zen 2 TRs and not great value. Hopefully DIY versions (when available) will be more reasonably priced.
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This thing will crack 100,000 in R23.
Its 76% faster than Intel's best 10nm chip.
Its 76% faster than Intel's best 10nm chip.
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5975WX would be a dream of a chip in terms ST and MT balance, as for the 5995WX that's just showing off isn't it.
Looks like more PRO boards are coming like this from MSI https://www.techpowerup.com/292784/...0-motherboard-for-ryzen-threadripper-pro-5000
That motherboard probably costs £750+. Good luck to those people who convince their companies that these beasts are a necessity for their work!
Looks like more PRO boards are coming like this from MSI https://www.techpowerup.com/292784/...0-motherboard-for-ryzen-threadripper-pro-5000
That motherboard probably costs £750+. Good luck to those people who convince their companies that these beasts are a necessity for their work!
It's indeed quite difficult these days to convince employers to buy these machines, especially since more and more compute is being pushed to the cloud.
AWS Graviton2 gives you a reserved instance with 64 cores and 256GB of ram for $1.50 an hour (Intel and AMD 32-cores and 256GB for that price), or $2.50 on demand. It's very difficult to make the point to an employer that a dedicated machine that costs $5-10k provides value to them compared to reserved/on-demand instances on the cloud. This only makes sense if you have big local IO needs.
It's the Mrs that's the real challenge
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AMD Ryzen Threadripper 5000WX series launching through system integrators next month - VideoCardz.com
DESIGN. BUILD. ACCELERATE. ON THE ULTIMATE WORKSTATION PROCESSOR AMD launched the AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ line of disruptive, high performance desktop processors in 2017. Since then, Threadripper processors have quickly become the processor and compute platform of choice for the world’s most...
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News of zen 3 Threadripper Pro coming to other system integrators. That's great and all but the more interesting part is what appears to address the future of the Threadripper platform:
So it looks like TRX40 is surely dead and chances are Zen 4 Threadripper will not need the PRO label and it will have a large number of PCIE5 lanes and cores but with a PRO price.
This is bad news imo. I do hope Zen 5 goes beyond 16 cores, but if you want more than 16 cores of Zen 4 expect to pay a fortune. Paying £1400 for 24 cores + high no of lanes like Threadripper 3000 in 2019 is not going to happen. Threadripper will be the reserve of company purchases, or creators raking it in.
Dare I say it, we need Intel to stop stumbling about the place and release a solid high core HEDT platform, this will keep AMD honest. Sounds like Sapphire rapids based workstations are coming, but I don't hold to much enthusiasm for their Xeon and non Core-X platform. It too will be expensive and the core count and power usage need to be within reasonable bounds.
From a business POV I understand why AMD did it, Threadripper was originally there to soak up spare Epyc parts but those are now very profitable for AMD and they'll extract as much cash from them as possible.
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Well...yeah, obviously. Who needs a workstation at home?
Not really. Threadripper was originally a skunkworks project by some mentalists at AMD, it had very little in common with EPYC Naples. I don't think AMD expected it to take off as well as it did, and there were always going to be difficulties in supplying enough Threadrippers when they moved to Zen 2 and shared chiplets with EPYC and desktop Ryzen. Threadripper 3000 Pro was the first to "soak up spare EPYC parts".