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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Why can you appreciate why AMD are keping things close to their chest?
I do not understand why the can't let the public know when new hardware will be available.

i agree. i don't understand the logic of leaving us hanging. AMD must have lost a lot of potential sales in people jumping ship to sandy bridge just because of the complete lack of info on bulldozer.

i can see why we don't have performance figures (if it's bad, everyone will buy intel. if it's good, many will not buy cpus until it comes out, losing AMD revenue) but the lack of a release date is strange.

i've drawn up two specs for myself, one SB, one BD. if BD isn't out by the time i get my uni loan (on the 19th), i'm going with SB. will do the same is BD price/performance is worse.
 
Stop being so serious and trying to put a label on a specific type of userbase.

If I was doing that I would have been generalizing. I wouldn't do that as like many forums there's a lot of good people and then there is far too many that have to voice their view like it's written in stone. Trying to make out if their views are not expressed the world will no longer function. So they would like you to believe.


It pretty much sums up these type of people.

 
Off topic ..........Reading between the lines, I'm glad that we taxpayers will not be totally subsidising these systems nowadays :)

Tax Payers have not been subsidising these systems since 1998 when grants ended and student loans started!

I however am still looking forward to some performance results regardless of which way they go. Competition is almost always a good thing.
 
It looks like Interlagos will be arriving in the next few weeks:

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/munger/2011/08/cray-xe6-cabinets-arrive-at-or.html

Remember that we are selling Interlagos prior to launch for large deals, so do not make any assumptions about this.

I've a feeling that intel will be on its ivybridge/22nm chips before AMD release BD ;)

I will take that bet, care to make it interesting?


Why can you appreciate why AMD are keping things close to their chest?
I do not understand why the can't let the public know when new hardware will be available.

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/1107646-bulldozer-pre-launch-faq.html

Your answers are there.
 
JF-AMD just laid the smackdown on y'all!

Have a look at the link he posted on the bottom of his post, it hopefully should stop all the questions i've been seeing over and over again in this thread.
 
Same as the rest of us, hoping the BD fairies have arrived :D

Great post JF
OK, let me begin by saying "I'm gonna post this once."

Everyone, please just point people back to this post when the 1,957,837,842 questions show up that are all the same. This will be easier than me posting it up over and over.

Admin, please lock this thread ASAP, I am not going to answer questions here.

Thanks.

Q. I saw a benchmark on xyz website. Is that how bulldozer will perform?A. No. Nothing posted before launch will be representative of actual performance. To get actual performance, you need:

Final production silicon
Final processor microcode
Final system BIOS
Final OS optimizaitons
Final drivers
An app compiled with the latest flags
A person who understands the app and configures the test properly

Without these things (and there are probably more), you cannot get an accurate benchmark. Any extrapolation of a crappy benchmark gives you a crappy estimate of actual performance. Period.

Oh, and many of the benchmarks that you see were probably not run, those are just charts made in excel. It's really easy to make a chart in excel - what do you want, bulldozer faster by 3716%? Intel faster by 293%? Sure, I can do either one in 10 seconds. Why are you arguing about benchmarks that probably aren't real?

Q. When are you launching? Why don't you release the date?A. When we launch, we launch. I will not comment on dates, I will not comment on schedules. We do not release dates prior to launch, at most we give quarter granularity. Giving the date out will stall demand. We have a business to run. While you might think that it will make your life easier to not have to guess, the reality is that we have a business to run and the minute you let the date out, sales stall. For everything. The cost impact of announcing the launch date is always bigger and drives these decisions.

Q. What are the prices?
A. Look at the above question and you have your answer.

Q. Why don't you release benchmarks before launch? You could steal so much business away from the other guy?
A. Again, releasing benchmarks before launch will simply stall sales. Believe me, if the competition thinks they are out of position, will they just sit back and say "oh well" or will they react? Handing them benchmarks is simply giving them time to form a strategy. I am not in the business of helping them, they are on their own on this one.

Q. Will bulldozer be faster than....?
A. I don't need to finish the question, please read above.

Q. I read on xyz site that you were launching on xxxxx?A. Yeah, and I read on another site that elvis was still alive. The reason I don't comment on date rumors is that there are a limited number of days in the quarter. Once you say no to some, and suddenly say "no comment" or don't answer that one, immediately everyone thinks that is the date. So, no matter how crazy it sounds, you can't answer any of them.

Q. I saw someone selling bulldozer parts online, that must mean the launch is happening, right?A. No. First off, many of the people that are advertising parts for sale ahead of time do not have parts in hand. Buyer beware. If they are selling engineering samples, we will take care of that. Occasionally parts are loaded into disti databases, and if the flag is set wrong, it can flow through EDI to a partner's database and show up online. That does not mean parts are available. Oh, and sometimes distis use planned pricing and part numbers as placeholders, so don't believe what you see. Nobody is allowed to advertise parts ahead of launch.

Q. I know someone who knows someone who has a cousin who lives next to...?A. Ask yourself this. Would you take investment advice from someone like that? If not, put a big grain of salt into those conversations.

Q. Why haven't you guys launched?
A. The key to a successful product is lauching it once you are ready. When you are trying to put hundreds of millions of transistors onto a piece of sand about the size of your thumbnail, there is a lot going on. It's a pretty complicated busines.

Q. Why don't you comment on client stuff? Why don't you get a client guy to post on here?
A. I am in the server world, I comment on my products. I will not comment on their products, because I don't want them commenting on mine. The few times I have ventured into the client world, I have caught flack for my comments. It is not worth the trouble. Based on the filth that seeps into my inbox from a very small segment of the enthusiast world, I can understand why the client people might not want to make their names known. When you are attacked in a vicious way for no reason, and you are doing this on your own time, you start to ask "why bother"?

Q. I see you have <feature x> on server, so we will see that on client too?A. I can't say for sure. We both productize different features based on our customer needs. Wait for the launch to see for sure.

Q. Why aren't you doing an unlocked Opteron so I can do 2P overclock?A. First the market for 2P client systems is tiny, and getting smaller every day. While you would like to buy one, there just aren't enough people to do that. Second, I want to focus my time on servers, client overclocking will not be supported because it takes efforts away from making virtualization and cloud computing better.

Q. If AMD does beat intel in xyz it is the end of the roadA. OK, this is not a question, but enough people make statements like this. AMD is a 40 year old company, not likely.

Q. Is IPC higher on bulldozer? All I care about is IPC.A. IPC is simply a measurement. What if IPC was 2X what it is today, but clock speed was 500MHz. Is that what you want? You are getting double IPC, right? IPC is only one measure. The people that are telling you IPC is the only thing that matters have an agenda. Taking only one measurement, out of context, is like trying to say that a person's weight is all that matters. I weigh 195. Does that make me fat? Does that make me skinny? It is impossible to say unless you know my height. IPC is like weight - it tells you something in context to other factors, but is meaningless on its own.

Q. What about single threaded performance?A. See above. Also, if all you care about is single threaded performance, might I recommend a lovely, inexpensive single core processor for your system?
 
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JF-AMD just laid the smackdown on y'all!


The kind of arrogance, evasion and denials in JF-AMD's post are the exact reason that i as a long term AMD user deserted AMD and went Sandybridge. His post says absolutley nothing, doesnt even attempt to keep potential buyers of BD informed or interested.

I'm so glad i jumped ship this generation and went Sandy..
 
The kind of arrogance, evasion and denials in JF-AMD's post are the exact reason that i as a long term AMD user deserted AMD and went Sandybridge. His post says absolutley nothing, doesnt even attempt to keep potential buyers of BD informed or interested.

I'm so glad i jumped ship this generation and went Sandy..

When we launch, we launch. I will not comment on dates, I will not comment on schedules. We do not release dates prior to launch, at most we give quarter granularity. Giving the date out will stall demand. We have a business to run. While you might think that it will make your life easier to not have to guess, the reality is that we have a business to run and the minute you let the date out, sales stall. For everything. The cost impact of announcing the launch date is always bigger and drives these decisions.
 
The kind of arrogance, evasion and denials in JF-AMD's post are the exact reason that i as a long term AMD user deserted AMD and went Sandybridge. His post says absolutley nothing, doesnt even attempt to keep potential buyers of BD informed or interested.

I'm so glad i jumped ship this generation and went Sandy..

arrogance, evasion and denials huh? where exactly?

the post says nothing in the way of details, true, but it's purpose is to explain why he can't divulge any. i think you kinda missed the point.

i for one am very excited about BD, whether i end up buying it or not. AMD have been going a long time and have came up with some quality products, and i'm interested in seeing how the newest addition turns out. enough with the AMD hate already.
 
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According to this, seems like AM3+ will support Piledriver...

Source
 
arrogance, evasion and denials huh? where exactly?

the post says nothing in the way of details, true, but it's purpose is to explain why he can't divulge any. i think you kinda missed the point.

i for one am very excited about BD, whether i end up buying it or not. AMD have been going a long time and have came up with some quality products, and i'm interested in seeing how the newest addition turns out. enough with the AMD hate already.

I agree with you partially on the first bit, no details but then again this is total bs....

Q. When are you launching? Why don't you release the date?

A. When we launch, we launch. I will not comment on dates, I will not comment on schedules. We do not release dates prior to launch, at most we give quarter granularity. Giving the date out will stall demand. We have a business to run. While you might think that it will make your life easier to not have to guess, the reality is that we have a business to run and the minute you let the date out, sales stall. For everything. The cost impact of announcing the launch date is always bigger and drives these decisions.

Will it really stall demand by giving a date or has it already done so by not giving any real details of the product (6 years in the making and continuing).

Then you have this bit:-

Q. Why don't you release benchmarks before launch? You could steal so much business away from the other guy?

A. Again, releasing benchmarks before launch will simply stall sales. Believe me, if the competition thinks they are out of position, will they just sit back and say "oh well" or will they react? Handing them benchmarks is simply giving them time to form a strategy. I am not in the business of helping them, they are on their own on this one.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovations/intel-tick-tock-model-general.html
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ivy-bridge-sandy-launch-processors,news-35685.html

The competition don't seem to be worried about the above, I don't see them as out of position, that's for sure, they have already shown their next chipset is out soon and given an estimated time chart for chip production, ok we don't know how those chips will perform, but it gives people something to look forward to.

I don't want to seem to spoil the party, I want to see AMD chips back up there with Intel, competing for the same market as it does 2 things, causes a price war making it better value for the consumer and moves research forward at a greater pace.
 
What a load of crap. If Bulldozer was worth 2 grains of salt AMD would be shouting it from the rooftops and hyping up the market.

Typical evasion and denial tactics we've come to know from JF
 
the post says nothing in the way of details, true, but it's purpose is to explain why he can't divulge any. i think you kinda missed the point.

No, i didn't. He's simply spouting the same line he's been saying for months, and people are tired of it. Look at the length of this thread for gods sake. The thread is full of misinformation, guesses and random bs, yet AMD have done absolutley nothing to clarify or even stem the flow of misinformation that's spread around the net now.

Even worse is that the one thing AMD have made clear is that BD is pretty much a secondary consideration to them now, with other platforms taking huge priority over their so called flagship processor.

I don't want to sound like i'm hating on AMD, i'm not, far from it. I've always had AMD rigs, and always been happy with their products, but this BD release is a total debacle whichever way you try to spin it. AM3+ boards were out months ago and STILL have no real chip to slot into them. The mobo makers must love AMD right now.

Real poor showing by AMD. BD should have been out 6 months ago, we all know it, but few will admit it.
 
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What's the point of this thread again?
I mean, if you don't and won't know anything about it
until its launch day, which we don't know either???
 
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