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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

I'm glad you said that, as that was going to be my point. Q6600 @ 3.2 vs a 1100t @ 4.00ghz. You get a similar performance in a fair amount. I've not tried EVERYTHING though. Mainly games :p

They need to get BD out sooner than later, as Sandybridge is a full generation ahead
 
Okatsu said:
The kind of arrogance, evasion and denials in JF-AMD's post are the exact reason that i as a long term AMD user deserted AMD and went Sandybridge. His post says absolutley nothing, doesnt even attempt to keep potential buyers of BD informed or interested.

I'm so glad i jumped ship this generation and went Sandy..
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1 word.

Idiot.
 
it does though. overclocking wise, clock for clock performance. lets not call it good when its not. but im sure everyone here hopes AMD compete with and are better than intel with BD
 
thing is you get good performance for what you pay may not compete with the hieghest clocked intels but is 5 ghz needed to play your fav game to the spec its needed or do you use the full potential of your pc ?

99 percent = no

so some go amd and save what it would have cost them on a intel rig. most of the time its a reasonable graphics card or solid state drive in difference . on a budget it matters.
 
I couldn’t care less about competing with Intel.... I just hope that BD is a good step up from what I already have. All this AMD/ Intel sucks stuff is boring!! (and childish)
 
Totally agree slade - I just go with what gets the most bangs for bucks...my computer history includes 4 intel systems (2 deskrops/2 laptops) and 4 AMD systems (all desktops).

I hope that Bulldozer is close to Sandybridge performance because I like the idea of a fast 8 core PC at a reasonable price. If it doesn't compete well I know I can get a z68 and a quad Sandybridge i5 2500k.

I'll be interested to see if the am3+ board makers can match some of the attributes of the z68 boards as some of its features are pretty cool.
 
gurusan said:
no bias here either. I've owned plenty of Phenom 2 chips and they were all lacking. They are only marginally better than the Q6600 from over 4 years ago
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You only needed to buy one Phenom 2 to know what the performance of the technology was in comparison to Intel, It does not change with each chip.
And hoping for a good lucky OCing Phenom 2 is no compensation for the technology.

So if you were not happy with Phenom 2 its your own fault for buying more.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
thing is you get good performance for what you pay may not compete with the hieghest clocked intels but is 5 ghz needed to play your fav game to the spec its needed or do you use the full potential of your pc ?

99 percent = no

so some go amd and save what it would have cost them on a intel rig. most of the time its a reasonable graphics card or solid state drive in difference . on a budget it matters.
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If 10Ghz was out the same people would upgrade and claim that we all need it and that nothing else matters.
 
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slade said:
I couldn’t care less about competing with Intel.... I just hope that BD is a good step up from what I already have. All this AMD/ Intel sucks stuff is boring!! (and childish)
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Indeed because its futile.
If AMD was ahead the the whole discussion would be the same but the brand names reversed.

For some people that's the only thing that matters day in day out which is sad.

You didn't find me going into thread after thread to bash Intel when they were behind.

The only time it really matters is when its time to make a buying decision or someone needs to be informed.
 
this thread seems to have been going for months & im dying to upgrade to something a bit quicker than my old AMD 64 4000+ single core :p

only 2 weeks to wait (hopefully) now & i'll pick what ever chips the better ;)
 
Final8y said:
You only needed to buy one Phenom 2 to know what the performance of the technology was in comparison to Intel, It does not change with each chip.
And hoping for a good lucky OCing Phenom 2 is no compensation for the technology.

So if you were not happy with Phenom 2 its your own fault for buying more.
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yeah I know that....but I wanted to play with a bunch of chips because that's just one of my overpriced hobbies that makes me broke :(

Plus the whole unlocking thing had me addicted. X2 that unlocked to a x4 and clocked to 3.9GHz was a pretty fun thing to do.
 
gurusan said:
A good AMD setup is not cheaper anymore.

The ideal budget gaming rig would include a sandy bridge cpu
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Im my case an Intel setup would not be cheaper.

I need 8 sata 6Gbps as im using 7 already and 6 of those must be on the same controller for raid 5 and my mobo has 6+4 config.

I need 8 x USB on the backplate and they are all used.

I need full 2 x16 PCIE & 1 PCI for sound card which is not blocked with a double height gfx card.

If i was buying now.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-347-GI&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

If there is an equivalent Intel SB then im all ears because from a quick search i couldn't find any.
 
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USB 3 cards can be had for 5-10 notes. Firewire/usb/pci-e soundcards can be had for around 50 as well. In fact many people have monitors with really great DACs in them that are overlooked 99% of the time. The days of buying soundcards even for audiophiles are long gone. The cheap, basically free DAC in my LG e2770 monitor sounds better than the external DACs and modified XFIs I've owned before.

...and you have 8 drives that need SATA3? If that's true then you are the rare exception, nearly 1 in a million probably.

In fact it sounds to me like you need to build a home NAS which would free up your build options in the future by quite a bit.
 
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USB 3 cards can be had for 5-10 notes. Firewire/usb/pci-e soundcards can be had for around 50 as well. In fact many people have monitors with really great DACs in them that are overlooked 99% of the time. The days of buying soundcards even for audiophiles are long gone. The cheap, basically free DAC in my LG e2770 monitor sounds better than the external DACs and modified XFIs I've owned before.

...and you have 8 drives that need SATA3? If that's true then you are the rare exception, nearly 1 in a million probably.

In fact it sounds to me like you need to build a home NAS which would free up your build options in the future by quite a bit.
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I don't need to buy any of that because there is a mobo that fits my needs and NAS is more cost on top of the drives, i need 6 for the drives & 1 for the SSD. 2x 16PCIE is near non existent on SB, this is as close as it gets & still costs more & lacks the satas that i want http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-326-GI&tool=5

I have the hardware i have and all i have to do if i want to upgrade is just buy another mobo from AMD, but if i go Intel's latest i will have to make all sorts of changes and buy more addon cards which i don't want.

What you think about sound makes no odd, i have what i have, i like my X-FI Elite with its features and that's it, i don't have to change any of it if i choose that AMD mobo and not have to spend a single penny more.

I'm paying for it, Its for me and what i like and how i like to go about it what matters and if Intel don't have an equivalent that's as simple as that and i don't need the salesman tactics to sell me something else because they don't have what i want.

So that makes the AMD mobo the cheapest with the most connectivity out of the box for my need in this case.

So even my pushing near £6000 rig would cost more If i went Intel.
 
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Why do you need SATA 3 for HDD's?
EDIT : The PCI-E 2.0 x 8 thing is a moot point given it has PCI-E 3.0 support with Ivy.
Though I agree, there's no native 16x support, and NF200 has latency which only makes it like an 8x lane.

To agree as an overall point. AMD motherboards, in my opinion offer more for the price.
It's just a shame they don't have the same premier performance as Intel, I'm hoping that'll change.
 
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JF-AMD said:
http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/1107646-bulldozer-pre-launch-faq.html

Your answers are there.
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Like it or not, not giving out some kind of release date indication is ALREADY stalling demand. I for one will not be building a brand new AMD based PC, then sticking an old Phenom II X4 or X6 in it, they are just too far behind the current performance standard set by Intel.

When the time comes that I decide to upgrade (end of September ish), the availability of bulldozer will drive my purchasing decision. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
 
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