AMD Bulldozer Finally!

buchtis · 27 Oct 2011 at 07:19

gareth170 said:
1090t

8150

My God, AMD should do an Atari and bury these Bulldozers in the desert. That is appalling for an 8 core processor.

atpbx · 27 Oct 2011 at 07:33

Merlin5 said:
I know we're all aware of BD's poor performance but here's some more benchmarks from a few days back by a user who isn't a professionally paid benchmarker. It really emphasises what a waste of money this chip currently is. What's really amazing is that my humble little phenom xII 550 got about the same Super PI 1M result when I had it overclocked to 3.7 or 3.8GHz, can't remember what my overclock was exactly.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?276002-Compare-1090T-and-FX-8150

Am I reading his results/using super pi right?

AS a 1meg super pi run on my stock 2600k takes 10 seconds.
His results say that BD takes nearly twice as long running at a GHZ faster than my 2600k turbo speed.

PCZ · 27 Oct 2011 at 09:42

gareth170 said:
also no heat issues, stayed at 49c , ... i guess the people who got a 8150 and saying it as heat issues clearly don't know what they doing.

Thats a bold statement.

I am finding that at low voltages the power consumption and thermal output stays under control.
However when pushing the clocks and volts they quickly get out of control.

Gareth try running a notch higher say 4.6Ghz and use sufficient vcore to maintain IBT stability.
Dont just run CB, temps will be a lot higher running IBT.

I am finding that 4.6Ghz is where i have to start upping the vcore (1.4v under load for my chip) and the problems begin.
At 4.5 i need less vcore and the temps are similar to those you have shown.

PS
Performance is as awful as others have already reported.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 27 Oct 2011 at 10:08

Merlin5 said:
I know we're all aware of BD's poor performance but here's some more benchmarks from a few days back by a user who isn't a professionally paid benchmarker. It really emphasises what a waste of money this chip currently is. What's really amazing is that my humble little phenom xII 550 got about the same Super PI 1M result when I had it overclocked to 3.7 or 3.8GHz, can't remember what my overclock was exactly.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?276002-Compare-1090T-and-FX-8150

Bulldozer lacks x87 hardware so it will be slower.

gareth170 · 27 Oct 2011 at 10:43

PCZ said:
I am finding that at low voltages the power consumption and thermal output stays under control.
However when pushing the clocks and volts they quickly get out of control.

but we don't know if thats a issue or if it's normal for theses to do that at high voltage as they are 32nm

Stolly · 27 Oct 2011 at 11:04

Merlin5 said:
I know we're all aware of BD's poor performance but here's some more benchmarks from a few days back by a user who isn't a professionally paid benchmarker. It really emphasises what a waste of money this chip currently is. What's really amazing is that my humble little phenom xII 550 got about the same Super PI 1M result when I had it overclocked to 3.7 or 3.8GHz, can't remember what my overclock was exactly.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?276002-Compare-1090T-and-FX-8150

In his last post he says he doesn't know to throw it off a cliff or put it on ebay.

He seems to think that BD is a dog.

sunama · 27 Oct 2011 at 12:01

buchtis said:
My God, AMD should do an Atari and bury these Bulldozers in the desert.

Did Atari really do this?
If so, what machine was it that was buried?
I remember when the Atari ST and Amiga 500 were all the rage.

Locky · 27 Oct 2011 at 12:20

Atari Jaguar I think.

Bulldozer truly is a piece of **** isn't it.

TheMightyTen · 27 Oct 2011 at 12:20

sunama said:
Did Atari really do this?
If so, what machine was it that was buried?
I remember when the Atari ST and Amiga 500 were all the rage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_video_game_burial

buchtis · 27 Oct 2011 at 12:20

The launch of E.T.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_(video_game)

E.T. is frequently cited as a contributing factor to Atari's massive financial losses during 1983 and 1984. As a result of overproduction and returns, millions of unsold cartridges were buried in a New Mexico landfill. The game's commercial failure and resulting effects on Atari are frequently cited as a contributing factor to the video game industry crash of 1983.

sunama · 27 Oct 2011 at 12:33

giving Warshaw only six weeks to develop the game

WOW. Some games take years to develop. A 6 week development time is ridiculous.

JoneseyBoy1 · 27 Oct 2011 at 12:41

Bulldozer was an almighty let down and Intel has continued it's "willy waving" precedent set down with the i7 990X with the i7 2700K.

Although I've heard about a B3 stepping? Could this be what makes BD a credible alternative to Sandy Bridge? If so, bloody galling. I've just lost patience and ordered an MSI Z68 board.

Freddie1980 · 27 Oct 2011 at 13:21

JoneseyBoy1 said:
Bulldozer was an almighty let down and Intel has continued it's "willy waving" precedent set down with the i7 990X with the i7 2700K.

Although I've heard about a B3 stepping? Could this be what makes BD a credible alternative to Sandy Bridge? If so, bloody galling. I've just lost patience and ordered an MSI Z68 board.

New steppings can turn very good CPU's into great ones such as the Q6600 G0 stepping but it can't turn a turd into a diamond. At the moment AMD has the it’s flagship CPU massively overpriced by about £50, until they start to retail these CPU’s below that of 2500K levels then very few enthusiasts will rush to buy these.

JoneseyBoy1 · 27 Oct 2011 at 13:24

I'm ordering my i5 2500K tonight. AMD have had their chance now. Looks like Trinity will be ***** too.

wolvers · 27 Oct 2011 at 13:33

Gareth, what CPU cooler do you have?

Has anyone here got an 8120 to see if hits the same clocks as Gareth's 8150?

sunama · 27 Oct 2011 at 13:39

wolvers said:
Has anyone here got an 8120 to see if hits the same clocks as Gareth's 8150?

The professional reviews are indicating that the 8120 and 8150 are clocking to the same levels. So, it looks like the 8120 is the one to buy, if you plan to over-clock.

Based on Gareth's results though, buying an 8150 or 8120 just doesn't offer good value for money. Its best to get a Phenom2 OR go Intel, if outright performance is important to you.

Martini1991 · 27 Oct 2011 at 14:00

Freddie1980 said:
New steppings can turn very good CPU's into great ones such as the Q6600 G0 stepping but it can't turn a turd into a diamond. At the moment AMD has the it’s flagship CPU massively overpriced by about £50, until they start to retail these CPU’s below that of 2500K levels then very few enthusiasts will rush to buy these.

But the price won't make up for it being lacklustre in some area's compared to its predecessor.

onlinegamer3 · 27 Oct 2011 at 14:49

AMD has failed big time with the bulldozer. IT has 8 cores but is same performance as i5, not even talking about i7 crushing it performance vise

Martini1991 · 27 Oct 2011 at 14:50

But it doesn't have the same performance as an i5 does it?
Throw a BD at say, Rome Total War, use Mods etc, it'll perform like crap compared to an i5.

gareth170 · 27 Oct 2011 at 15:11

wolvers said:
Gareth, what CPU cooler do you have?

Thermalright Ultra 120A + 2 fans