AMD Could Leap Ahead If They Want To

Chuggerboom said:
Maybe? But if Intel are planning on limiting overclocking AMD could seriously kick their arses. Roll your eyes all you want my friend.
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nothing to plan they are, hence why a K series intel chip is coming, primed from intel for the sole purpose of overclocking but at a premium price over a standard chip

:rolleyes: just for good measure, :rolleyes:
 
Chuggerboom said:
At a premium price as you say.
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which if prior intel cpu's are any measure people will pay

cpu x 2.4ghz zero overclocking ability £120

cpu z 2.4ghz but shown to overclock to 4.2ghz £160

I'll take z thanks, moral right or wrong doesn't come into it, overclocking is a perk not a right. we've been fortunate to be able to buy mid range or budget cpu's and turn them into high end a likes for years. it's a good business model from intel
 
snapdragon said:
which if prior intel cpu's are any measure people will pay

cpu x 2.4ghz zero overclocking ability £120

cpu z 2.4ghz but shown to overclock to 4.2ghz £160

I'll take z thanks, moral right or wrong doesn't come into it, overclocking is a perk not a right. we've been fortunate to be able to buy mid range or budget cpu's and turn them into high end a likes for years. it's a good business model from intel
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Not if AMD's new stuff overclocks to high heaven. Intel will be left behind. That is my point................If AMD play their cards right they could take the lead.

AMD could see increased chip sales, but also a move by the motherboard manufacturers to produce more boards for AMD systems. After all, what’s the point on producing anything other than a standard motherboard for Sandy Bridge if you can’t overclock it?

Bulldozer is really shaping up to be a very VERY interesting chip, should be quite a lot faster than Phemon's, probably faster than current i7's but not as fast as Sandybridge, however its being rumoured that the design of the Bulldozer, a slightly increased pipeline and 32nm process could mean we're in line for chips that could well launch at 4Ghz stock at the high end and could potentially be looking at 5Ghz overclocks on air.

So Bulldozer could end up faster in the end, on clock speed, with slightly lower IPC, but if you can get a nice 8 core bulldozer that does 5Ghz, and it will cost you £200, well, thats why early on Sandybridge doesn't look particularly appealing right now.
 
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Nobody saw the Opteron or x2 kicking butt but they did. I really hope AMD get back to winning ways as I'm getting bored of intel pwning so much these days.
 
It's not just about overclocking though. While I enjoy overclocking I would still prefer a faster standard chip to a chip that overclocks to high heaven yet is still slower than a competitors unclockable chip.
 
w3bbo said:
It's not just about overclocking though. While I enjoy overclocking I would still prefer a faster standard chip to a chip that overclocks to high heaven yet is still slower than a competitors unclockable chip.
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Yes but the OP is contending that Bulldozer will be a massive success for AMD because of the overclocking. It will be a success if it performs better per £ than Intel at stock. We will still end up buying Intel or AMD based on whether the final clock speed we can get from overclocking and how much it costs, as you say if that's a locked chip that's quicker then that' what we would likey go for.
 
I just bought an i5 760 anyway, so sandybridge can suck it as far as I'm concerned :) Unless it somehow makes the world a better place, I don't see the point in owning one.
 
Jokester said:
Overclocking is such a small market it'll make no real difference to Intel.
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I some extent I kinda agree with this but . . . if Intel turn their back on the enthusiasts then the enthusiasts will turn their back on Intel . . .

As an enthusiast myself a lot of folk in normal life come to me for buying advice or to get me to build them a PC so if the AMD chips can be clocked and work out more cost effective than whatever Intel if offering then its obvious where my money, my friends money and my clients money is gonna be spent! :D

I think its almost "Blasphemy" to the original OverClocking Mantra that an enthusiast would pay a substantial premium hardware that can be overclocked? . . . The whole point of the OverClocking scene when I got into it in the 90's was to take a cheaper more affordable product and with skill & knowledge clock it to be faster than a product which sold for hundreds of pounds extra ££££

I know even with current hardware to get the best results we need to spend a little extra on a motherboard with an overclocking friendly BIOS and perhaps some 3rd party cooling but it seems even most basic boards these days include a few OverClocking features and irs quite possible to eeek a bit more performance using even the stock cooling . . .

Anyway I'll keep an open mind and see how things pan out . . . I do think this could all go badly for Intel if they alienate the enthusiast!
 
zombiegenesis said:
I just bought an i5 760 anyway, so sandybridge can suck it as far as I'm concerned :) Unless it somehow makes the world a better place, I don't see the point in owning one.
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So true:cool:. I am just catching up to Core 2 cpus now which is 2 generations behind and 4 years old technology lol. Before that I was using oem system with an ancient AMD Athlon XP 3000+ cpu. Then I upgraded to E6600 and saw big performance gain which I sold to get Q6600 which I just overclocked to 3.4GHz yesterday. I feel I have barely used Q6600 to full potential.
Now mainstream sandybridge is coming out along with enthuisiast later next year. Then you still have the i series which are giving high performance already.

You know what!! forget all of it. I am just sticking with my Q6600 for a very long time:).

When it comes to cpus there is so much variety and depending upon what you use your pc for, you can pick up the appropriate cpu;).
 
Jokester said:
Overclocking is such a small market it'll make no real difference to Intel.
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That is true but oc'ers being computer buffs are often turned to by many others for advice. Hence, their market impact is a little bit higher than their purchases alone.

EDIT Big Wayne is right and got there first.
 
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Big.Wayne said:
I think its almost "Blasphemy" to the original OverClocking Mantra that an enthusiast would pay a substantial premium hardware that can be overclocked? . . . The whole point of the OverClocking scene when I got into it in the 90's was to take a cheaper more affordable product and with skill & knowledge clock it to be faster than a product which sold for hundreds of pounds extra ££££
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Agreed!
 
I think i agree with what Jokester was saying if I understood him correctly.
I think AMDs chips have to be good as well as overclockable. As far as I'm aware the Phenom II X6 chips aren't comparable, clock for clock, to the i7 970 and 980X chips. The reason the AMD chips are popular is because of their value (I think).
If a Sandy Bridge CPU at stock 3.2GHz outperforms a OC'd Bulldozer @ 4GHz and they cost the same are people really going to buy the Bulldozer just because it can overclock?

Also are we talking about the mainstream Sandy Bridge or the enthusiast Sandy Bridge?
 
With Bulldozer the actual cores are meant to be relatively small like Bobcat. It seems AMD are trying to maximise performance for a given die size as they are behind in process technology.
 
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