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amd cpus for gaming pc?

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someone told me a while ago that amd based systems are better for gaming than intel ones, could someone tell if this is true and why? i`m thinking of building new pc and thought it might be better to go for amd for a change as i ve always used intel cpus upto now but i do lot of gaming, i had a look at a few amds on ocuk but the running speeds seem quite low compared to intels!why is this? :confused:
 
stryder said:
hi
someone told me a while ago that amd based systems are better for gaming than intel ones, could someone tell if this is true and why? i`m thinking of building new pc and thought it might be better to go for amd for a change as i ve always used intel cpus upto now but i do lot of gaming, i had a look at a few amds on ocuk but the running speeds seem quite low compared to intels!why is this? :confused:
This is sort of analogous to weight. Bear with me, I'll make sense soon :)

People tend to talk about their weight, about losing weight.

They're wrong. They don't actually give a damn about their weight. With the exception of astronauts and competitors in some sports, a person's weight is irrelevant. What they're actually concerned about is their shape and their volume. Measuring their weight can give them a very misleading picture. I've known several people who increased their exercise level and then stopped because they weren't losing weight...but they were losing volume (which is part of what they really wanted) and changing their shape (which was the other part). They made a poor decision because they were looking at the wrong thing, a thing that only has a partial correlation with the things they were really interested in.

The clock speed of a CPU (or other processor) is like weight in this analogy. People look at it as if it was important, but what actually matters is how much time a processor takes to complete a processing task. If it takes 29.4 seconds to do a particular task, does it really matter whether the CPU was running at 1MHz, 1GHz or 1THz?

Intel pursued a design that traded efficiency for clock speed. More cycles per second, less effective use of each cycle.

AMD did the opposite.

In theory, either way works. The bottom line is how much processing can be done per second. How it's done doesn't matter. It's like taking many short steps or fewer, longer steps - you cover the same distance per minute of walking.

In practice, AMD's approach worked better. Intel topped out on clock speed. The higher the clock speed, the higher the power consumption and the more heat generated. Intel hit the limit of reasonable levels of power and heat. Some would say they exceeded both. No more clock speed, no performance increases. AMD could coax their clock speeds up some more. Intel were stuck and losing ground.

So they jumped to the other approach, the higher efficiency and lower clock speed approach. The result will go retail in about 3 weeks - Core 2.

For a while, AMD has been a better buy than Intel. Particularly, but not limited to, gaming. For the same amount of money, you'd get more from AMD. That's still the case right now.

There's an abundance of evidence that indicates it won't be the case much longer. Core 2 appears to spank Athlon64 on a like for like comparison, and there are good reasons why it would.

I advise you to wait a few more weeks for that gaming PC you're thinking of building, until Core 2 CPUs are available, and make a decision then.
 
AMD do ahve a habbit of keeping things under wraps, so i wouldnt be surprised if they release something a few days before or after conroe. Also, even though conroe is going to cane the amd64, i cant see why amd would cut the preices on their NEW socket am2, unless they had something new coming out
 
stryder said:
hi
someone told me a while ago that amd based systems are better for gaming than intel ones, could someone tell if this is true and why? i`m thinking of building new pc and thought it might be better to go for amd for a change as i ve always used intel cpus upto now but i do lot of gaming, i had a look at a few amds on ocuk but the running speeds seem quite low compared to intels!why is this? :confused:

You've been a member for 3 years and you can't google simple questions like this? :p

Anyway, Conroe is now better for gaming than their AMD equivalents, so for this year (and possibly most of the next) Intel will be where it's at for performance users. :)
 
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AMD will have to come up with something fantastic to keep up with these conroe chips.

They really are fast at stock.Nevermind overclocked!
 
thanks angilion , for taking the time out to write that, it was very informative!
and in reply to richdog- i asked the question on the forum because i generally get answers to my questions which make sense, are easily understood to those of us who are still not that well up on computers, and do not have hours to spend wading through internet pages.
just because i`ve been a member for so long doesn`t mean i know much about pcs, anyway i thought that was the whole idea of these forums!
 
Yeah theres no bloody need to have a go at the guy for asking a question, defeats the whole purpose of this forum.

I would get a conroe for best performance but if you dont mind it still being good but not as good as a conroe just get a cheap AMD64 as they are cheap now and easy to overclock etc.
 
who had a go at him :confused: the only person to possibly hint at that was richdog, and what he said was clearly in jest. ie dont take it seriously. The op did ask some simple questions though and it doest take long to find out wether you are using google or searching forums:)

edit: regardless of that sutff, wait it out for 1 month. When conroe is released, everything will change. conroes will destroy the a64s, which will force AMD to drop their prices. Ultimately, we win. so just wait and see what happens:)
 
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stryder said:
thanks angilion , for taking the time out to write that, it was very informative!
and in reply to richdog- i asked the question on the forum because i generally get answers to my questions which make sense, are easily understood to those of us who are still not that well up on computers, and do not have hours to spend wading through internet pages.
just because i`ve been a member for so long doesn`t mean i know much about pcs, anyway i thought that was the whole idea of these forums!

lol sorry mate I was only pulling yer leg. :)

Wait and get a Conroe if you can... if not pick up a bargain A64 and as long as your GPU cuts the mustard performance wills till be great. :)
 
dante6491 said:
AMD do ahve a habbit of keeping things under wraps, so i wouldnt be surprised if they release something a few days before or after conroe. Also, even though conroe is going to cane the amd64, i cant see why amd would cut the preices on their NEW socket am2, unless they had something new coming out
I can.

It does not cost anything like £200 to make a CPU, even if you factor in the cost of producing the cores that fail (there are always cores that fail, it's an inevitable part of fabbing complex chips). The cost is more like a few quid.

The main reasons why CPUs cost so much are greed and the need to recoup the cost of R&D.

R&D on AM2 was minimal. It's just a very slightly modified 939.

So AMD can afford to cut prices on AM2 CPUs.

Intel still have the advantage of reputation, especially in business. AMD have made huge gains in this area since the release of Opteron and Athlon64, but Intel has brand recognition not too far off that of Coke.

Intel will have the advantage in performance. And power consumption. And heat generation.

AMD are going to lose some market share. If they don't have the advantage on price, they'll lose more.

Bottom line: It's better for AMD to sell more CPUs at a lower price than fewer CPUs at a higher price. Not only does it generate more income for AMD, it keeps them in the mass market and they need that.
 
If you have the cash, go for a Conroe system.

If you don't have a lot of cash, get one of the cut priced AMD's and a cheap Nforce4 board.
There's already some amazing deals on AMD64's if you look around.

Either will serve you well when coupled with a decent graphics card.
 
Digital Punk said:
If you have the cash, go for a Conroe system.

If you don't have a lot of cash, get one of the cut priced AMD's and a cheap Nforce4 board.
There's already some amazing deals on AMD64's if you look around.

Either will serve you well when coupled with a decent graphics card.


Pretty much sums it up tbh.

Yes the conroes are quicker than the A64's yet the A64's arn't exactly slow.
 
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