AMD: FAQ for Project FreeSync is up

Gregster · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:42

TheRealDeal said:
Surely you must understand closed Beta. That would be the reason you or nobody else can download mantle. It's not released. You can complain when it's released.

When I get corrected with these statements...

humbug said:
Nvidia and Intel can use it, = Open Standard.

So tell me how I can use it with my nVidia GPUs and Intel CPU?

humbug said:
So explain to me how a VESA Standard Display Port is not open standard.

Watch the PCPer podcast and they will explain it to you. AMD will be using their own tech alongside the VESA Open Standard. So no, I don't think you do understand what an "Open Standard" is and you still haven't answered my question.

humbug · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:44

Gregster said:
When I get corrected with these statements...

So tell me how I can use it with my nVidia GPUs and Intel CPU?

They already do, in Laptops, now they can use it on DeskTop screens, Thanks to AMD.

James J · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:45

humbug said:
They already do, in Laptops, now they can use it on DeskTop screens, Thanks to AMD.

Thanks to VESA

humbug · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:46

James J said:
Thanks to VESA

It was AMD who pushed for it, Intel or Nvidia didn't and it would not have happened if it was not for AMD's petitioning. but whatever...

James J · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:48

humbug said:
It was AMD who pushed for it, Intel or Nvidia didn't and it would not have happened if it was not for AMD's petitioning. but whatever...

Because Nvidia didn't require it, as they'd already invented the technology anyway lol.

TheRealDeal · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:51

Gregster said:
When I get corrected with these statements...

So tell me how I can use it with my nVidia GPUs and Intel CPU?

Watch the PCPer podcast and they will explain it to you. AMD will be using their own tech alongside the VESA Open Standard. So no, I don't think you do understand what an "Open Standard" is and you still haven't answered my question.

I think Humbug is on about A-Sync which nvidia will be able to use as well as Intel. Amd have some kind of chip on the 290x which is maybe to do with there version but it will still be using the open standard of dp 1.2a/1.3.

Gregster · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:52

humbug said:
They already do, in Laptops, now they can use it on DeskTop screens, Thanks to AMD.

So is Mantle an Open Standard and will AMD's V-blank iteration also be an Open Standard?

TheRealDeal said:
I think Humbug is on about A-Sync which nvidia will be able to use as well as Intel. Amd have some kind of chip on the 290x which is maybe to do with there version but it will still be using the open standard of dp 1.2a/1.3.

Humbug told me that Mantle is an Open Standard, which it clearly isn't. It is becoming tiresome correcting Humbug's statements lately.

humbug · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:53

James J said:
Because Nvidia didn't require it, as they'd already invented the technology anyway lol.

Now they have a better way that shouldn't add £100 ontop of the price of every screen that has it.

humbug · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:55

Gregster said:
So is Mantle an Open Standard and will AMD's V-blank iteration also be an Open Standard?

When its released it will be, AMD have already told Intel they can have it as soon as its out of BETA, Nvidia have not yet asked for it.

James J · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:55

humbug said:
Now they have a better way that shouldn't add £100 ontop of the price of every screen that has it.

Better? Nope

Shouldn't increase price? How the hell do you no, oh thats right, you don't

TheRealDeal · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:56

Gregster said:
So is Mantle an Open Standard and will AMD's V-blank iteration also be an Open Standard?

Humbug told me that Mantle is an Open Standard, which it clearly isn't. It is becoming tiresome correcting Humbug's statements lately.

Yea as i have said Mantle is in a Closed Beta so atm it is clearly not open in any sense of the word. Amd have on the other hand promised to make it open upon release. I think that about sums up where Mantle is atm.

pgi947 · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:58

James J said:
Gsync isn't bound only to DP though, as future revisions are fabled to also support dvi and possibly HDMI too. Thats the benefit of doing the tech yourself, instead of relying on standards agencies to do it for you.

Source you might ask? Check out the interview with nvidia that MaximumPCMag posted on youtube. Straight from the horses mouth that future versions of gsync will have no issue supporting other inputs if thats what users want.

I didn't know this, I was under the impression it was something about DP (bandwidth?) that made DP a requirement, color me impressed if it matures into DVI/HDMI

humbug · 2 Aug 2014 at 14:59

James J said:
Better? Nope

Shouldn't increase price? How the hell do you no, oh thats right, you don't

I don't mean better in quality or anything like that, a better way to do it. no need for the middle wear.

Orangey · 2 Aug 2014 at 15:00

AMD haven't promised, they said "we'll see" or words to that effect.

But what they have said definitively is that Mantle will not be released to a working group, it will be managed by AMD themselves. That's not open.

Gregster · 2 Aug 2014 at 15:00

TheRealDeal said:
Yea as i have said Mantle is in a Closed Beta so atm it is clearly not open in any sense of the word. Amd have on the other hand promised to make it open upon release. I think that about sums up where Mantle is atm.

Thanks for answering honestly. I know full well that nVidia will not be using Mantle, even if it truly was an Open Standard but I dislike being told something is an Open Standard when it clearly isn't.

humbug · 2 Aug 2014 at 15:06

It wll be Open Standard Greg ^^^^

Orangey said:
AMD haven't promised, they said "we'll see" or words to that effect.

But what they have said definitively is that Mantle will not be released to a working group, it will be managed by AMD themselves. That's not open.

No, they said they will release it once its out of BETA.

As for handing it to a Working Group, a Working Group can't develop it, its a fallacy suggestion, Intel nor Nvidia will hand over thier GPU secrets to a Working Group.

Orangey · 2 Aug 2014 at 15:10

The spec would be handled by the group, each vendor would implement their own solution based on the spec. So no, they wouldn't be giving up secrets.

Mantle is never going to be open.

Next.

James J · 2 Aug 2014 at 15:11

humbug said:
I don't mean better in quality or anything like that, a better way to do it. no need for the middle wear.

Any again, its DP only, which Nvidia will move away from in future gsync revisions, giving the technology to far more GPU models than AMD can offer. Its far too risky saying something is a better way of doing something, with no evidence to back it up.

Gregster · 2 Aug 2014 at 15:11

humbug said:
It wll be Open Standard Greg ^^^^

No, they said they will release it once its out of BETA.

As for handing it to a Working Group, a working Group can't develop it, its a falacy suggestion, Intel nor Nvidia will hand over thier GPU secrets to a Working Group.

"Will be" and "is" are different things and I agree with Orangey and I am sure they said they would look to making it an open standard but have not actually said for certain that it "Will" be an open standard.

I am more than happy to be proven wrong.

humbug · 2 Aug 2014 at 15:12

Orangey said:
The spec would be handled by the group, each vendor would implement their own solution based on the spec. So no, they wouldn't be giving up secrets.

Mantle is never going to be open.

Next.

The API would be handed to Nvidia and Intel themselves, they can do what they like with it.

a Working Group does not even come into it.