AMD freesync coming soon, no extra costs.... shocker

Gregster · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:43

humbug said:
Like anything it depends on the quality of the screen, colour bleeding is a sure sign of a bad screen.

As for input lag i don't get any, thats a myth today from early IPS screens that defiantly did suffer from that, today they are just as fast as TN Panel's, mine is 5ms, it was the fastest at the time and matches a lot of TN Panel's today, now they are still keeping up with 2ms ones available.

Actually Apple used my Screen for the iMac so it must be good.

60hz is true, but the screen tearing again it depends on the quality of the screen, i play BF4 at 90 FPS locked and get very little tearing, if i allow it to run at 120 FPS yes it gets a little worse, but at 90 it's pretty good.

there isn't really any performance disadvantage with modern IPS panel's while the Image quality is still gorgeous.

I don't like the unnatural Green hue of TN Panel's, the colour it's self is also washed out, the blacks are gray and the whites are a lighter gray.

I have been through a fair few monitors to know what I am talking about.

Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM
Samsung 4K
Asus VG278H (3 of them and still got one)
Acer 1080P 60Hz
Asus ROG Swift

The best is the Swift - Great colours and 1440P 144Hz make it worth the premium and G-Sync is a sweet bonus. The next best was the Samsung 4K - Such a nice screen and again, great colours. I regret selling it now. The deepest colours were the Dell but the pro's and con's were too much in favour of the TN's.

RanxZy · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:45

IPS? Yes, 120Hz? Yes, 1440p? Yes = Want

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-mg279q-27-120hz-ips-panel-gets-vrr.html

whyscotty · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:48

Gregster said:
The next best was the Acer 4K - Such a nice screen and again, great colours. I regret selling it now.

Samsung man - it was a Samsung you old ......

eddyr · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:50

Silent_Scone said:
Only it's not up to you what is sensible, as you're nothing to do with the industry. For what it's worth I was a total of 48 hours without my Swift. Hardly worth crying about when the RMA procedure is so painless.

Wind bag.

Seriously though, how can someone so pent up over the state of the market last so long without actually buying anything?

Don't you get bored of moaning?

It's also not up to you what can be considered sensible (out of interest what role do you have in the industry).
Why take and make it so personal to what amounts to a series of general and not particularly offensive observations. Apart from 2 mentioned examples, one briefly stated and the other running of the theme of the thread it was more a general comment on customer-business interaction. We get it, you have one, you wanted it, you bought it, get over it. :confused:

Gregster · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:51

whyscotty said:
Samsung man - it was a Samsung you old ......

Changed and yer, memory is getting bad

Bonjour · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:51

Where am I?

Gregster · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:53

eddyr said:
It's also not up to you what can be considered sensible (out of interest what role do you have in the industry).
Why take and make it so personal to what amounts to a series of general and not particularly offensive observations. Apart from 2 mentioned examples, one briefly stated and the other running of the theme of the thread it was more a general comment on customer-business interaction. We get it, you have one, you wanted it, you bought it, get over it.

Sensible is down to the buyer/prospective buyer and if he/she can justify/afford that price. If not, then it isn't sensible but if so, it is sensible....

humbug · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:54

RanxZy said:
IPS? Yes, 120Hz? Yes, 1440p? Yes = Want

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-mg279q-27-120hz-ips-panel-gets-vrr.html

Thats the one that i want :cool:

@ Gregster, LG and Samsung make the best In-Plane Switching Panel's, Samsung call it PLS.

shankly1985 · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:55

humbug said:
Like anything it depends on the quality of the screen, colour bleeding is a sure sign of a bad screen.

As for input lag i don't get any, thats a myth today from early IPS screens that defiantly did suffer from that, today they are just as fast as TN Panel's, mine is 5ms, it was the fastest at the time and matches a lot of TN Panel's today, now they are still keeping up with 2ms ones available.

Actually Apple used my Screen for the iMac so it must be good.

60hz is true, but the screen tearing again it depends on the quality of the screen, i play BF4 at 90 FPS locked and get very little tearing, if i allow it to run at 120 FPS yes it gets a little worse, but at 90 it's pretty good.

there isn't really any performance disadvantage with modern IPS panel's while the Image quality is still gorgeous.

I don't like the unnatural Green hue of TN Panel's, the colour it's self is also washed out, the blacks are gray and the whites are a lighter gray.

One day I would like to try out IPS but I hear so much about how bad input lag is. Its not just input lag its also Response time, ghosting etc

You also might not notice the input lag because you used to it, its like some people notice Vsync lag and other don't..
Am very sensitive to it so that puts me off gambling on the IPS..

About the screen tear I going to after disagree with you here.. Its not about the panel its about the user, again some people like myself just used to seeing it, while its still there you into the game so much to even care about it.. Go looking for it all the time and you notice it right way..

A refresh rate is a refresh rate 60hz is 60hz 144hz is 144hz dont matter if its on £1000 display or £300 one
Screen tear will happen just the same..

Silent_Scone · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:56

Gaming on the Swift still excels any IPS alternative. Seeing is believing with these new monitors. Which makes these forum debates slightly futile where the ASUS is concerned.

eddyr said:
It's also not up to you what can be considered sensible (out of interest what role do you have in the industry).
Why take and make it so personal to what amounts to a series of general and not particularly offensive observations. Apart from 2 mentioned examples, one briefly stated and the other running of the theme of the thread it was more a general comment on customer-business interaction. We get it, you have one, you wanted it, you bought it, get over it.

Because his post was tripe. Not sure how one couldn't see this from the fact he managed to worm in TITAN-Z which has zero relevance to the topic.

The market will charge what it is able to. Something certain individuals care to neglect because due to relentless bias, they've not experienced purchasing products that have come to market with luxury of being able to charge these premiums.

It's quite simple. First 144hz 1440p monitor. Let's price it as such. You're saying I should get over it as i've bought one. Who's more entitled to an opinion on the matter? Someone with experience of said product, or the bitter person who hasn't, moaning about inflated prices on every product that a vendor brings out?

Not sure why you're confused.

thefogo · 18 Feb 2015 at 12:57

I only got my first IPS panel a couple months back, and although the colours are nice, the IPS glow kinda ruins it for me.
Some games just get completely ruined by it, like Star Citizen.

Will there be any VA panels with freesync?

tommybhoy · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:01

@Nfud defense league, dispelling Nvidia nomenklatura type fud comes easy at the rate it flows in here.

21 posts in the 970 thread which about 14 of them relate to 'oops off the crossbar' is hardly trolling considering:

a, I'm a purchaser of Nvidia discrete gpu's

and

b, the obvious target it makes.

If that's classed as trolling then you are all saying he's trolling the utter **** out this(and the rest) thread.

humbug · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:04

shankly1985 said:
One day I would like to try out IPS but I hear so much about how bad input lag is. Its not just input lag its also Response time, ghosting etc

You also might not notice the input lag because you used to it, its like some people notice Vsync lag and other don't..
Am very sensitive to it so that puts me off gambling on the IPS..

About the screen tear I going to after disagree with you here.. Its not about the panel its about the user, again some people like myself just used to seeing it, while its still there you into the game so much to even care about it.. Go looking for it all the time and you notice it right way..

A refresh rate is a refresh rate 60hz is 60hz 144hz is 144hz dont matter if its on £1000 display or £300 one
Screen tear will happen just the same..

It really isn't, just because it has 60hz printed on the box does not mean it's running at 60hz, thats often a minimum rate, why do you think there are hacks to unlock higher rates for some screens?

I would say mine is not running at 120 or 60 but somewhere in-between.

Silent_Scone · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:05

tommybhoy said:
@Nfud defense league, dispelling Nvidia nomenklatura type fud comes easy at the rate it flows in here.

21 posts in the 970 thread which about 14 of them relate to 'oops off the crossbar' is hardly trolling considering:

a, I'm a purchaser of Nvidia discrete gpu's

and

b, the obvious target it makes.

If that's classed as trolling then you are all saying he's trolling the utter **** out this(and the rest) thread.

Where as I just pity you. lol

andybird123 · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:07

humbug said:
Like anything it depends on the quality of the screen, colour bleeding is a sure sign of a bad screen.

As for input lag i don't get any, thats a myth today from early IPS screens that defiantly did suffer from that, today they are just as fast as TN Panel's, mine is 5ms, it was the fastest at the time and matches a lot of TN Panel's today, now they are still keeping up with 2ms ones available.

Actually Apple used my Screen for the iMac so it must be good.

60hz is true, but the screen tearing again it depends on the quality of the screen, i play BF4 at 90 FPS locked and get very little tearing, if i allow it to run at 120 FPS yes it gets a little worse, but at 90 it's pretty good.

there isn't really any performance disadvantage with modern IPS panel's while the Image quality is still gorgeous.

I don't like the unnatural Green hue of TN Panel's, the colour it's self is also washed out, the blacks are gray and the whites are a lighter gray.

A TN Panel looks like a water colour to the IPS oil painting.

this just isnt true anymore, a decently set up TN is every bit as good as an ips, but with better motion clarity and no annoying glow

thefogo said:
I only got my first IPS panel a couple months back, and although the colours are nice, the IPS glow kinda ruins it for me.
Some games just get completely ruined by it, like Star Citizen.

Will there be any VA panels with freesync?

Exactly this.

humbug · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:12

andybird123 said:
this just isnt true anymore, a decently set up TN is every bit as good as an ips, but with better motion clarity and no annoying glow

Exactly this.

I think this argument is pointless, people look at one or two screens, don't like it and think one or two is a representation of all.

As i keep saying it depends on the screen, as a Star Citizen player on both TN and IPS i'm looking at the IPS and asking "What Glow?????"

Some TN Panel's are better than others, the same goes for IPS, thats a fact with absolutely everything in life.

eddyr · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:14

Gregster said:
Sensible is down to the buyer/prospective buyer and if he/she can justify/afford that price. If not, then it isn't sensible but if so, it is sensible....

Sure. But it's not the end and all of a discussion about pricing.
Like I said if you want it, and as you say if you can afford/justify it, buy it (plenty in that camp). Why be pis*ed at someone who doesn't want to (also plenty) and puts forward reasonable reasons as to why. Anyway it was just unnecessary response imo.

Silent_Scone said:
Because his post was tripe. Not sure how one couldn't see this from the fact he managed to worm in TITAN-Z which has zero relevance to the topic.

The market will charge what it is able to. Something certain individuals care to neglect because due to relentless bias, they've not experienced purchasing products that have come to market with luxury of being able to charge these premiums.

It's quite simple. First 144hz 1440p monitor. Let's price it as such. You're saying I should get over it as i've bought one. Who's more entitled to an opinion on the matter? Someone with experience of said product, or the bitter person who hasn't, moaning about inflated prices on every product that a vendor brings out?

Not sure why you're confused.

See above. Equally entitled to an opinion on the matter tbh.

Gregster · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:15

humbug said:
It really isn't, just because it has 60hz printed on the box does not mean it's running at 60hz, thats often a minimum rate, why do you think there are hacks to unlock higher rates for some screens?

I would say mine is not running at 120 or 60 but somewhere in-between.

How are you connected? DP? HDMI? DL-DVI?

Also, what montor is it?

humbug · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:17

Gregster said:
How are you connected? DP? HDMI? DL-DVI?

Also, what montor is it?

DL-DVI

shankly1985 · 18 Feb 2015 at 13:21

humbug said:
It really isn't, just because it has 60hz printed on the box does not mean it's running at 60hz, thats often a minimum rate, why do you think there are hacks to unlock higher rates for some screens?

I would say mine is not running at 120 or 60 but somewhere in-between.

Thats wrong man lol sorry but take a screenshot before any hacks of your Resolution in CCC, note in Refresh rate if 60hz is the max then that is the max your display will run at..
It is what it is nothing in between or higher.. 30fps will still be 60hz, 30fps will still be 144hz..

90fps in your case will still be 60hz nothing more nothing less.

The only way you can be running mixed Refresh rate would be with Gsync or Freesync this is what it does that you trying to say your None freesync or Gsync display is doing..