AMD Navi 20 Faster Than An Nvidia RTX2080Ti?

Gregster · 2 Apr 2019 at 14:47

Good speculation and something to get us geeks excited!

MrRockliffe · 2 Apr 2019 at 14:53

Gregster said:
Good speculation and something to get us geeks excited!

This sort of thing comes up every time, and the answer usually no

And even if it is, Nvidia will drop a Titan or something else :/

TheRealDeal · 2 Apr 2019 at 15:04

Gregster said:
Good speculation and something to get us geeks excited!

Now you really are on the wind up

. All aboard ladies and gentlemen.

Seriously would be great if any of this is true but been burnt a few times in the past.

Gregster · 2 Apr 2019 at 15:08

TheRealDeal said:
Now you really are on the wind up . All aboard ladies and gentlemen.

Seriously would be great if any of this is true but been burnt a few times in the past.

Nah, genuinely do hope Navi will bring the balance back and using RT is huge for me. I think we all know that the VII was a way of using failed chips with current architechture and a semi deent way of adding something to the market to keep people interested but the real fun is on a new architecture and throwing in Raytracing gets me excited.

TheRealDeal · 2 Apr 2019 at 15:16

Gregster said:
Nah, genuinely do hope Navi will bring the balance back and using RT is huge for me. I think we all know that the VII was a way of using failed chips with current architechture and a semi deent way of adding something to the market to keep people interested but the real fun is on a new architecture and throwing in Raytracing gets me excited.

The rumours do seem to suggest that RT will be a part of Navi at some level. There is also rumours suggesting the next gen consoles will support RT and they are using Navi based tech. Personally i just want Navi to be fast and cheap. Things price wise atm is going to hold PC games back imo. The more people that are priced out of decent cards mean less people with the power to run things like RT. If not many have capable rigs that can run proper eye candy then devs don't really have the motivation to push the boundaries of what is possible.

With my move from 1200p to 4k i now need to upgrade a bit more but won't be ripped off in the process.

LoadsaMoney · 2 Apr 2019 at 15:17

Gregster · 2 Apr 2019 at 15:24

TheRealDeal said:
The rumours do seem to suggest that RT will be a part of Navi at some level. There is also rumours suggesting the next gen consoles will support RT and they are using Navi based tech. Personally i just want Navi to be fast and cheap. Things price wise atm is going to hold PC games back imo. The more people that are priced out of decent cards mean less people with the power to run things like RT. If not many have capable rigs that can run proper eye candy then devs don't really have the motivation to push the boundaries of what is possible.

My hope is the PS5 will do RT and that will encourage the devs to do it. When done well, it looks fantastic in motion and there is hybrid ways of doing it that don't drain the fps. Price of course is key on this and whilst I hope both parties drop it down, I can't help but feel they won't and even I would be coming away from PC gaming, as I found it hard to justify the 2080Ti price and left me feeling a little meh, even though the card is a beast. I remember paying big for the original Titans but they look good now at £850 (which is still absurd in real terms).

The hard part is I love my PC and yer it is a hobby but I see more and more people feeling that the price is crazy and moving away from it.

TheRealDeal · 2 Apr 2019 at 15:39

Gregster said:
My hope is the PS5 will do RT and that will encourage the devs to do it. When done well, it looks fantastic in motion and there is hybrid ways of doing it that don't drain the fps. Price of course is key on this and whilst I hope both parties drop it down, I can't help but feel they won't and even I would be coming away from PC gaming, as I found it hard to justify the 2080Ti price and left me feeling a little meh, even though the card is a beast. I remember paying big for the original Titans but they look good now at £850 (which is still absurd in real terms).

The hard part is I love my PC and yer it is a hobby but I see more and more people feeling that the price is crazy and moving away from it.

Yea if Ps5/Xbox next had came slightly earlier i might not have built a new rig last summer. Now that i have and the upgrade path for it won't cost me an arm and a leg (gpu apart) i will be sticking around for a bit. It could be my last PC though if things don't change price wise. The 2080ti is indeed a beast but as you say the price is what makes it a laughing point to many. Hopefully Nvidia can see this and react which will in turn make AMD price lower. To gain market share back AMD need to do something drastic and hopefully it's another Zen or just insane price performance.

Blackjack Davy · 2 Apr 2019 at 16:43

MrRockliffe said:
This sort of thing comes up every time, and the answer usually no

And even if it is, Nvidia will drop a Titan or something else :/

Remember the Polaris speculation thread people were saying it was going to be as fast as a 1080 then 1080ti and half the price? The hype reached ridiculous levels. When the RX480 finally dropped it was like a huge balloon going "pop"!

I sometimes wonder if the reviewers actually believe what they're saying or whether they're well aware they're clickbaiting.

GloriousMess · 2 Apr 2019 at 18:38

I'm not sure any new card from AMD needs to be faster than the 2080 Ti, it just needs to make the 1080 Ti obsolete while remaining below the price of the 2080. Right now if someone wants a powerful card in that range the options are a second hand, risky purchase of a 1080 Ti, or a somewhat expensive 2080 with dubious RTX functionality. That, in my opinion, is where AMD should place their next card. Whether they'll do it in time (this year) is another question.

shankly1985 · 2 Apr 2019 at 18:54

I just want a GPU worth upgrading to without the big price. VEGA 7 I would easy buy right now if it was £500 max. So I really do want Navi to be cheaper, I dont even care if its faster than 2080Ti.

Kaapstad · 2 Apr 2019 at 19:31

MrRockliffe said:
This sort of thing comes up every time, and the answer usually no

And even if it is, Nvidia will drop a Titan or something else :/

Anyone seen a TU100 Turing chip yet.....

If that turns up on 7nm it will put the Tiger among the pigeons. :eek:

Kirby Wurm · 2 Apr 2019 at 19:36

RT in Navi? Surely dedicated capability won't be there as it's still GCN (the last iteration if I'm correct)?

Gregster · 2 Apr 2019 at 19:41

Kirby Wurm said:
RT in Navi? Surely dedicated capability won't be there as it's still GCN (the last iteration if I'm correct)?

Not sure but it isn't the first time I have heard this but then again, could be fake but I am seriously hoping it is.

Nasher · 2 Apr 2019 at 19:46

Probably like 2080, except less likely to break.

shankly1985 · 2 Apr 2019 at 19:48

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Maybe some Navi news coming in May from AMD.

Video in OP says 2020 for the Navi 20 GPU.. Guess I be hanging onto my VEGA 64 for a little longer like my trusty old R9 290 Lol

https://twitter.com/AMD/status/1112977150548828160

CuriousTomCat · 2 Apr 2019 at 21:03

When this new Navi GPU releases in 2020, the 2080ti will be two years old! Nvidia releases a new gen every 2 years so their 2180ti or 3080ti will be due for release in 2020 which will also be much faster than the 2080ti.

I'm not sure why Nvidia fanbois are skeptical that AMD can manage to release a GPU with performance that's 2 years old?

TNA · 2 Apr 2019 at 22:36

Gregster said:
My hope is the PS5 will do RT and that will encourage the devs to do it. When done well, it looks fantastic in motion and there is hybrid ways of doing it that don't drain the fps. Price of course is key on this and whilst I hope both parties drop it down, I can't help but feel they won't and even I would be coming away from PC gaming, as I found it hard to justify the 2080Ti price and left me feeling a little meh, even though the card is a beast. I remember paying big for the original Titans but they look good now at £850 (which is still absurd in real terms).

The hard part is I love my PC and yer it is a hobby but I see more and more people feeling that the price is crazy and moving away from it.

+1

Well said Gregster.

Doubt Navi will be anywhere close to a 2080Ti. Navi needs to bring good price for performance primarily imo. If they can bring 1080Ti or close performance for £300, that would be great.

TheRealDeal · 2 Apr 2019 at 22:55

TNA said:
+1

Well said Gregster.

Doubt Navi will be anywhere close to a 2080Ti. Navi needs to bring good price for performance primarily imo. If they can bring 1080Ti or close performance for £300, that would be great.

Navi 10 is stated to be 15% faster than Vega 64 so around 15% slower than gtx1080ti. Navi 20 is said to be the big chip version so should be close to 2080ti. I mean Vega 7 is a smallish chip so 2080ti level performance with improved architecture should not really be hard to do on 7nm.

Cooler running · 3 Apr 2019 at 01:20

I think we'll have a better guess when Ryzen 3000 comes out. That way we can see what a new Architecture plus 7nm can achieve.

I personally dont believe AMD will beable to get to 2080ti levels, but would like to be wrong. Although on the other hand, 2020 is a 2 year gap to 2080ti launch.
I'm also cynical of the video, the bias is clear after hearing "Radeon 7 matches the 2080 "... its not exactly comparable.
Although better/comparable in some ways its still not as good at gaming out of the box, especially if my oppinion on there being further movement on the 2080s price is true.