AMD Phenom II x6 vs FX-8350

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Components used.

Case: HAF 912+ Link
MOBO: Asus Sabertooth 990FX Link
CPU Cooler: CM Hyper 412S (EOL) Link
GPU: Powercolor PCS+ R9 290 @ 1100/1350 Link
RAM: 4x 2GB (8GB) Corsair XMS3 @ 1600Mhz Link
Main Drive: 128GB Samsung 830 SSD Link
PSU: XFX Pro 750 Watt Link

And the CPU Link

Turbo Core turned off on both CPU's

FX-8350 Stock = 4Ghz
X6 1090T Stock = 3.2Ghz

All games tested at maximum settings 1080P.
RAM running at 1600Mhz on both CPU's
CPU overclocks tested for 1 hour in Prime95 and 2 hours in Crysis 3 as a stability level pass. they are not maximum benching overclocks on either CPU, that is pointless for a reality check on these CPU's.

Part One: Gaming, Stock clock:

BF4 DirectX Shanghai, CN base to flag B.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 44, Max 97, Avr 61.6
FX-8350 FPS: Min 57, Max 103, Avr 75.3 +21%

Dirt Showdown.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 83.2
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 85.9 +3%

Grid2.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 55, Avr 75
FX-8350 FPS: Min 67, Avr 90 +20%

Thief DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 27, Max 75, Avr 41
FX-8350 FPS: Min 33, Max 78, Avr 50 +21%

Star Swarm DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 18
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 24 +30%

Valley.
X6 1090T Points: 2138
FX-8350 Points: 2358 +10%


Part Two: Gaming Clock for Clock (4Ghz)

BF4 DirectX Shanghai, CN base to flag B.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 48, Max 98, Avr 65.7
FX-8350 FPS: Min 57, Max 103, Avr 75.3 +15%

Dirt Showdown.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 83.9
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 85.9 +2%

Grid2.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 56, Avr 78
FX-8350 FPS: Min 67, Avr 90 +15%

Thief DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 28, Max 76, Avr 44
FX-8350 FPS: Min 33, Max 78, Avr 50 +13%

Star Swarm DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 21
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 24 +20%

Valley.
X6 1090T Points: 2294
FX-8350 Points: 2358 +3%


Part Three: Gaming overclock vs overclock: X6 1090T = 4Ghz. FX-8350 = 4.6Ghz

BF4 DirectX Shanghai, CN base to flag B.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 48, Max 98, Avr 65.7
FX-8350 FPS: Min 59, Max 109, Avr 78.1 +20%

Dirt Showdown.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 83.4
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 87.3 +5%

Grid2.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 56, Avr 78
FX-8350 FPS: Min 70, Avr 96 +23%

Thief DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 28, Max 76, Avr 44
FX-8350 FPS: Min 34, Max 81, Avr 54 +24%

Star Swarm DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 21
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 30 +30%

Valley.
X6 1090T Points: 2294
FX-8350 Points: 2459 +7%


Part Five: Applications, Stock clock:

WinRar.
X6 1090T Kb/s: 2,950
FX-8350 Kb/s: 4,360 +49%

Hand Break Video Encoding Time.
X6 1090T time: 2m 23s +34%
FX-8350 time: 1m 47s


Part Six: Applications, clock for clock (4Ghz)

WinRar.
X6 1090T Kb/s: 3,146
FX-8350 Kb/s: 4,360 +38%

Hand Break Video Encoding Time.
X6 1090T time: 2m 03s +15%
FX-8350 time: 1m 47s


Part Seven: Applications, overclock vs overclock: X6 1090T = 4Ghz. FX-8350 = 4.6Ghz

WinRar.
X6 1090T Kb/s: 3,146
FX-8350 Kb/s: 4,779 +51%

Hand Break Video Encoding Time.
X6 1090T time: 2m 03s +29%
FX-8350 time: 1m 35s


Conclution:

Clock for clock the FX-8350 is on average 13% faster than the Phenom II x6 in Games, reasonably achievable overclocks for both CPU's has the FX-8350 more than 20% ahead.

In compression and video encoding the FX-8350's performance delta to the X6 1090T is just a good, with +40 and +15% clock for clock, and 50% to 30% overclocked.

If you already have a 990FX series Motherboard and an ageing X6 the FX-8350 is a worthwhile upgrade.

 

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Very Nice Humbug

Thanks

Nice results there. What cooler are you using on it?

ah yes, forgot that, i will add it, its a CM Hyper 412S a £30 cooler.

Thanks for running some benchmarks.

 

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EDIT: I do have to admit to being a little confused as to why this is in the Graphics Card sub-forum though.

aww... no, its not supposed to be, its supposed to be in the CPU room.

 

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Quick! Move it before somebody starts an AMD - Nvidia flamewar!

 

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Wrong forum

 

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Edit, yeah ^^^ that looks familiar in the deltas your getting. nice

humbug would you be able to provide data like this on the gpu usage per game, using process explorer. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/2000gtv4/cpu/48cropfc3_zpsdc839662.png
also what is the default cpu-nb that you used for the thuban, and nb for the fx8. and for overclocking values could you show how you did it whether it be just a multi increase on the cpus?

and what were the ht link and cpu-nb fo the overclocked phenom II
and the ht link and and nb for the overclocked fx8.

(Ht link I'm referring to is not the ht ref (commonly incorrrectly referred to as the fsb)

I will do a GPU used test for those, but not until Friday now.

CPU-NB for Thuban was 2400Mhz
CPU-NB for FX-8 was 2200Mhz (Stock)

Overclocking for both CPU's was multi only, 20x for the Thuban and 23x for the FX-8 (HT Ref 200Mhz)

HT-Link was 2000Mhz on the Thuban and 2200Mhz on the FX-8 (stock)

I havent got into seeing what it can do yet, i spent about an hour getting the FX-8 stable @ 4.6Ghz simply by messing and then test 23x muliti and Core volts, the volts i ended up with was 1.45v with Ultra High LLC (about 1.46v under load)

Temperatures in P-95 was around the low 70's for CPU and high 60's for Package (HWMonitor)

I don't know what the max temperature is on these, i have seen it said they throttle at 70c, i can tell you they don't, but i feel 75c is the highest i would like to see it in P-95.

With very high overclocks (4.8Ghz +) i suspect the challenge actually is keeping the VRMs cool, its those getting to hot that causes throttling.

On the Sabertooth they are pretty good, Vcore-1 (CPU VRMs) reach about 72c or so, i believe they are rated for about 140c short and 90c medium term, its when they get to 80c i think they start to power down the CPU and it begins to throttle.

I have seen people with water cooling running 5Ghz+ lay a couple of 40mm fans over the Sabertooths VRM HS, which is pretty effective.

 

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Great results Humbug! The FX-8350 is an awesome CPU.
I'm not 100% sure about the max temps, but iirc it's 85C...I'll check with my team and get back to you.

Much appreciated Sam.

I should say the reason i have this CPU is thanks to AMD, Sam and Pcper. i was one of 25 FX-8350 winners at their Virtual Lan party #6.

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?481520-Saturday-May-3-10-00-AM-ET-Virtual-LAN-party-6

Great work with the benchmarks, very thorough.

Great work humbug. Much appreciated.

Thanks.

 

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Don't pay too much attention to p95 for stability with fx8,fx6 etc, (even though I have in my sig)
It just presents an unrealistic core load and temp load which doesn't represent the true stability of the system. You seem to be hitting the higher v-core a little bit too early for 4.6ghz but maybe theres some scope there for more, although temps are probably causing the higher v-core for stability, also adjusting the ht-ref and finding a sweet spot supposedly reduces the temps a little too.

I managed to get Hand Break stable @ 4.6Ghz with 1.41v, CPU (Socket) peaked at 62c

its not stable in P-95, but i agree with what your saying, Hand Break is the most stressful 'real' application i use, if its stable in that then its stable, i don't see the point in trying to get it stable for 24/7 use in an application which pushes the CPU way beyond anything normal, besides that i have had CPU's stable in P-95 only for it to then fail in real apps.

I may try for 4.8Ghz later on, but on my £30 cooler i doubt that going to be viable for 24/7 use

i will be getting 2400Mhz RAM soon. its capable of running them so i can't not i think they may even push the gaming performance up another 5 to 10% vs the 1600Mhz RAM i'm running now.

And later possibly water cooling

Two or three of these and one of these for the VRMs and this as a better intake fan.

 

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4770K turning up any minute, should be a nice upgrade over the 960T for RTWII and other more single core games, not to mention BF3

I would be intrested to see what performance you get in these games, i have BF3 (or did you mean BF4?) to test if you want

 

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I have just played a round of Planet Side 2, Min FPS over 100, this is a game where the performance on AMD CPU's is apparently crap.

Go figure. i have never seen that level of performance with PS2, not even with a 4Ghz Bloomfield i7, no where near.

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

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Yeah, we can all look at empty spaces with no action and claim we're getting 100 FPS min ; 49% GPU usage. I can post screenshots of SWTOR hitting my refresh rate constantly, but they don't mean anything, because that'll change if I'm actually doing anything meaningful.
But I get that you're not actually going for substance.

Is that maxed out or just terrible compression?

Its maximum IQ settings, i didn't say it didn't bottleneck the GPU, its a 290, what it did do is run constantly over 100 FPS, i only played one round, i'm going to do some more extensive testing later.

And here is World of Tanks. again over 100 FPS.

Spoiler

 

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Planetside 2 has an in-game FPS display (Alt+F I think) and in-game recording (although not sure if the quality is good enough to pick out the fps display) if you wanted to do a video instead of an image.

Thanks for that, i will look at it

 

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Planetside 2 has an in-game FPS display (Alt+F I think) and in-game recording (although not sure if the quality is good enough to pick out the fps display) if you wanted to do a video instead of an image.

I can't find any in game recording.

 

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I think the default key is the "Page Up" key.

On the "Social" tab, under "Video".

Right got that, now all i have as a recording is an audio file. so what next?

I can't stand things like this, where whatever they do it has to be obscure.

 

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Right got that, now all i have as a recording is an audio file. so what next?

I can't stand things like this, where whatever they do it has to be obscure.

If a file is larger than 1GB then it works fine with VLC and everything else. If the file is smaller than 1GB then it wont open in VLC and Media Player only plays audio. Only Winamp, of the programs I've tried, plays both video and audio. If a file is smaller than 1GB then clicking on it in windows explorer will not show any information about the length or resolution, only the filetype and size. Windows Movie Maker will also not open it (unless it's larger than 1GB, no problems then).

Yeah, well done Sony..... lol its useless, i'm not recording for 2 hours to get a 1GB file, i can't stand playing for that long.

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/the-in-game-video-capture-tool.54852/

 

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£90+ on FleaBay ^^^

I wonder what the results would be if the clock was the same on both ?

As has been said i tested them both at 4Ghz, the difference in gaming is about +15% to the FX-83##, thats also with 1600Mhz RAM vs 1600Mhz.

Unlike the Phenom II the FX-83## is capable of running 2400Mhz RAM which should add another <10%. its a significant gain.

As for things like WoT and PS2, after more extensive testing in PS2 i found the FX-83## will drop to as low as 50+ for very short periods in very intense situations, that is still much much better than what the Phenom II could manage, in the same situations that would drop into the 30's.

WoT i'm impressed with, i have not seen it drop below 80+ yet, again very much better than the Phenom II.

 

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I could do that for you, I have both BF's. In BF4 I was anywhere from 80-120fps (limited) but mainly near 80fps. Now it's 99.9% 120fps solid and just luuuurvely. The biggest increase I saw was in RTW2, the difference is night and day. 35fps in battle map with lower settings in the 960T and now I cap my frame rate @60fps, that was a dream I never dared to dream for that game

Put up a benching method for me and i will follow it.

Scene settings ecte..

What GPU was that?