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AMD Radeon 9080 XT and 9090 XT

darkrage

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Is AMD doing higher tier cards for the 9000's series, if so would these compete with the RTX 5080 and RTX 5090?
 
My understanding is that they aren't able to compete at the higher end so they're focussing on upper mid range for the moment. I think I read somewhere that they're waiting for their next architecture refresh, which may be 2026.
 
No, they've confirmed they aren't targeting a high-end tier card this generation to rival an 80 or 90 card from Nvidia.

They were also very keen to repeat that 85% of all GPU buyers spend below $700 on a card - so that very much seems their focus for now.
 
ah cool thanks for all for clarifying, i was originally gonna hold off getting a 9070 XT thinking they might do a higher tier card but now i might get one now.
 
It's a shame cos with a bit of effort I think they could have caught the 5080
Maybe not in RT, but if it's cheaper than the 5080 that won't matter to a lot of people
 
no_1_dave said:
It's a shame cos with a bit of effort I think they could have caught the 5080
Maybe not in RT, but if it's cheaper than the 5080 that won't matter to a lot of people
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Yeah would have been nice to have a 50% larger chip with a 384bit bus so 24GB VRAM and squarely in the 5080ti territory
 
Tythus said:
Yeah would have been nice to have a 50% larger chip with a 384bit bus so 24GB VRAM and squarely in the 5080ti territory
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It wouldn't sell that many or likely be that profitable.

Keep in mind they could make eight Ryzen 8-core CPU dies from the same bit of silicon...
 
With how relatively boring the 50 series has been it is a pitty they didn't go for a bigger chip, that might have split the 5080 and 5090. But it makes complete sense not to.

As it is using some of their tsmc fab space for the navi 48 die isn't particularly cost effective, they could easily make cpus with that that would sell for more money. And realistically once the market settles down, most people are not even close to the $1000 + market for gpus

Will see though, hopefully between the 9070s and the 9060s coming next quarter, they can reclaim a sizable chunk of mind share and it might make it easier to justify the cost of making larger ones next generation
 
MagicBoy said:
It wouldn't sell that many or likely be that profitable.

Keep in mind they could make eight Ryzen 8-core CPU dies from the same bit of silicon...
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Yeah, I get it—it's probably a tough sell for the 9070XT. You're looking at the choice between one 9070XT or five Zen 5 chiplets, and with 50% more die space, you're talking about nearly eight. It's a hard pitch for AMD to give up a higher-margin product like that.
 
no_1_dave said:
It's a shame cos with a bit of effort I think they could have caught the 5080
Maybe not in RT, but if it's cheaper than the 5080 that won't matter to a lot of people
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They'd need a new chip. 9070XT is the full chip, nothing disabled. They could make a bigger version of it, but that would be more expensive and take time and use more power and generate more heat and have lower yields. It's not just a matter of effort.

Also, of course, they're not interested. Gaming graphics cards aren't the market they're interested in. Neither are nvidia, despite having free rein at fishing for whales. The whales are much bigger in the AI and datacentre markets. Intel have some interest but they don't have a ball to play with and they're falling apart anyway.

So we're left with inadequate volume and inflated prices, a small conciliatory gesture from AMD and a far bigger middle finger from nvidia. Nvidia seems to be deliberately contemptuous. They can't have done this badly through incompetence. For example, nvidia knew about the missing ROPs in advance, sold the defective chips at full price anyway and dismissed the problem because it only affected gamers. Who nvidia have the utmost derisory contempt for and make no attempt to hide it.
 
Looking at the die size of the 9070 compared to the 5080 and the performance difference between them it's doubtful RDNA4 scales well enough to compete at the high end. Besides AMD could probably sell 10 9070's for every theoretical 9090 card they could produce.
 
I'm sure if AMD had known just how crap the 50xx series cards would be...they would have been very, very tempted to take on the 80 class.

80 class+ performance for $799 would have been a killer product for them.
 
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Cooper said:
I'm sure if AMD had known just how crap the 50xx series cards would be...they would have been very, very tempted to take on the 80 class.

80 class+ performance for $799 would have been a killer product for them.
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That wouldn't happen, the prices will go up within 2 hours. Unless you live in the USA and visit a MC.
 
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