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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event
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The sad thing is if the 7800 XT comes in at about £850 (it wont) and is about 4080 level in raster, even I might bite. I have to keep letting sensible me remind FOMO me to catch myself on.
The sad thing is the 4080 and most likely 7900 XT(X) are good GPUs, the only problem is the prices. Same applies to the 4090.
The sad thing is the 4080 and most likely 7900 XT(X) are good GPUs, the only problem is the prices. Same applies to the 4090.
I mean who knows, this could be a collab between amd and nvidia to make £1000 4080/7900 level cards the norm. Nvidia sets itself as the bad guy setting the price at 1200, we all go BOOOO burn nvidia! AMD comes along, brings a equivalent card with slightly better performance for under 1k and we all rejoice! Both AMD and nvidia win, setting a new bar for 80's series cards in the future at minimum £1k in stone.
Now consecutive releases will hit the same mark for similar prices going forward.
Moores law is dead, but is created through manipulation and not because prices of manufacturing is too high.
It's all very feasible.
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By the time that is out, I wouldn't be surprised the ampere stock is down enough that jensen drops the 4080 price to 900 and people just buy that.
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It will be probably be launched as the RX 8000 series. RDNA4 in late 2024.
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Nah I think a refresh will be out just like the 6950 did before RDNA4.
Depends on what you were expecting, if you were expecting the 7900XTX to beat the 4090 then yeah, if you were expecting it to beat the 4080 then no, it looks fine.
Just now? Nvidia made $1000 GPU's a thing in 2013, 9 years ago, its already the norm, we are now at $2000 being normalised, that was the 3090Ti.
I don’t buy into the collaboration theory because the current market share just does not back it up.
I far more believe that Nvidia simply got greedy with 40x0 and priced them like crypto and chip shortages were still driving prices up. This left a gaping hole for AMD to add an extra X to the XT, then rebrand the rest of their tiers up one.
7800 XT becomes 7900 XT with a $100 price drop.
7800 become the 7800 XT
And so on down the stack. So we consumers now end up with maybe 20% increase in price/perf from AMD at the mid to lower tiers. Still better than NVida who offers stagnation or outright regression in price/perf from 4080 down.
Manufacturing costs have gone up but not enough to justify a $1200 80 class card.
There is a half truth to Moores Law being dead, its half dead, analogue and cache have 0 benefit from die shrinks on 5nm and going forward, so the IMC, IO and 1MB of cache takes up pretty much exactly the same die area on 5nm as it did on 7nm, so cache and IO are taking up an increasing amount of space away from logic.
A relatively massive proportion of the Lovelace die is used up by the L2 cache, partly also because Nvidia have grown the L2 cache pool substantially to make the RT performance better, because that's what you all wanted.
AMD increased the L2 pool a bit, but critically they engineered their way out of the problem, they moved the IMC and cache off the logic die and put it on a cheaper 6nm node given it makes no difference what so ever what node its on, 7nm, 6nm, 5nm or 4nm other than being cheaper on an older node.
Just as AMD have with the Zen CPU architecture they are putting their R&D in the right places, not so that you can play Cyberpunk at 48 FPS with 'RTX On' on a $1600 GPU, some people keep banging on about how RT is worth it, well then shut up and pay for it, i'm not....
Edit: not that it is an 80 class card in the first place, it isn't, its a 4070Ti.
There is a half truth to Moores Law being dead, its half dead, analogue and cache have 0 benefit from die shrinks on 5nm and going forward, so the IMC, IO and 1MB of cache takes up pretty much exactly the same die area on 5nm as it did on 7nm, so cache and IO are taking up an increasing amount of space away from logic.
A relatively massive proportion of the Lovelace die is used up by the L2 cache, partly also because Nvidia have grown the L2 cache pool substantially to make the RT performance better, because that's what you all wanted.
AMD increased the L2 pool a bit, but critically they engineered their way out of the problem, they moved the IMC and cache off the logic die and put it on a cheaper 6nm node given it makes no difference what so ever what node its on, 7nm, 6nm, 5nm or 4nm other than being cheaper on an older node.
Just as AMD have with the Zen CPU architecture they are putting their R&D in the right places, not so that you can play Cyberpunk at 48 FPS with 'RTX On' on a $1600 GPU, some people keep banging on about how RT is worth it, well then shut up and pay for it, i'm not....
Edit: not that it is an 80 class card in the first place, it isn't, its a 4070Ti.
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A few years ago, for most things I used to get excited about, I swung over to the FOBI camp: Fear Of Being Included. Much better way to live. I still get hyped about stuff, but I'm not a child and can wait for stuff and focus on enjoying things.
Computer components was the last bastion of moderate feeling of FOMO. But with pricing the way it is, even that's waned definitively.
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Pricing is wrong.
Nvidia are always an option.
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Prefer to be two gens behind if prices are this ******.
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Experience shows not to get more than the semi especially with AMD. Always wait for initial reviews and then extra time post that due to subsidised sources. You don't want to be rushing in anyway but when the new norm of high end is above a grand you want to be as informed as you can. Lets face it there is no need to FOMO into this as there should be lots of stock on shelves. One of the advantages of AMD is the mindshare means 90% of people wont be after that!
Probably worth waiting for the AIB reviews tbh with the 3x8pin the higher power drawmay give a better idea of what to expect if the ref card is power restriced like some have claimed.
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Think the nail has been hit on the head now. If you want RT and expensive 'faster' gpu's then buy nvidia. After all its what people want (so some say). Strange folk want a competitor but shoot themselves in the foot pretending they want an alternative only to compare it to the same brand they just keep on buying.
If only intel were in the mix then they too could get the same treatment as I don't think anyone is going to change this behaviour regardless of how close anyone gets to nvidia.DLSS isn't really needed though unless you're using RT or just want to game at like 400fps.