AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[SpellowHouse]

I, for one, want to buy one. I haven't bought an nVidia card for many years due to their utter lack of ethics. They show no sign of changing that, so I'll keep buying AMD cards. Not once have I felt like I missed out on anything by doing so.

I am genuinely interested in the 7900's. This is the first time I have ever been interested in an AMD GPU. I have just stuck with what I know, but NVIDIA have disgusted me with the price of the 4080. They would have to substantially change that price for me to buy one, and while I think the 4090 is better value, I am not comfortable spending £2000 every few years on a video card. I am not even very comfortable with the 7900 prices but at least they are better.

 

[Besty]

I do think he is over hyping the 7900xtx, but I could be wrong and I hope he is right.

By now his team its likely the have the XTX card and drivers in the lab and already know what the performance is like.

The video does not break NDA as its just an extrapolation.

I can't imagine them doing a video like this if they know, that in the lab, the card is not pulling similar numbers -+ 5fps

 

[Aegis]

I've gone back and forth between nvidia and AMD over the years - drivers wouldn't sway me one way or another as they both have their pros and cons and they're both more or less as reliable as one-another. I do however (currently) favour nvidia's RT performance and DLSS. I'll be skipping this gen but interested to see what both parties bring to the table next time.

 

[Cooper]

In my experience having owned a 1070, Vega 64, 1080Ti, 2080Ti, 6800XT, 3090 and 6900XT in the past few years, both sets of drivers are no worse than the other. I’ve actually had more issues with nVidia drivers.

I'm heavily into emulation and generally Nvidia drivers are much better than AMD's when it comes to it, especially in 3D based systems like the PS3. Every time I read about graphical glitches in emulated games, AMD drivers aren't far behind.

Its become less of an issue as Vulkan replaces OpenGL as the go-to API of choice, but the vast majority of emulator authors seem to have Nvidia cards in their systems, so any little differences between Nvidia & AMDs implementation of API level drivers tends to get found out.

Its only a niche use case scenario, I know, but it still makes me hesitate to migrate from Nvidia to AMD.

 

[queamin]

The 6900XT almost matched the 3090 and was significantly cheaper just like the current situation with 7900XTX vs 4090 but the 3090 still outsold it significantly. That’s what gives them the confidence to do it again except this time with the 80 class card. The thing is the x90 tier was always targeting the enthusiast with deep pockets who just wants the best of the best so they could price it over 2 grand, quadruple the RT performance and it would still sell as long as it was the fastest. It won’t work with the x80 tier card as buyers are far more practical in that price range.

Also the current 4080 is an insult to the x80 tier. The least they could have done is give it the full AD103 but they didn’t. The launch of the 4080 Ti is imminent to take down the 7900XTX competition

I agree, but wasn't there some benchmarks that showed the 4080 16GB a lot closer to the 4090 than the slides before.

Not sure where the 4080 Ti is going to sit between the 4080 16GB and the 4090 at moment as prices are insane for the 4080 16GB.

 

[Aegis]

Every time I read about graphical glitches in emulated games, AMD drivers aren't far behind.

This is AMD's problem though - lots of people *say* stuff about their drivers but the majority have never used them. I can only say that based on my own personal experience of using both AMD and nvidia over the past 20 years, I've *never* had driver issues that forced me towards one brand over another.

I do however know plenty of people that would never buy an AMD card because of 'buggy drivers'

 

[harmattan]

This is AMD's problem though - lots of people *say* stuff about their drivers but the majority have never used them. I can only say that based on my own personal experience of using both AMD and nvidia over the past 20 years, I've *never* had driver issues that forced me towards one brand over another.

I do however know plenty of people that would never buy an AMD card because of 'buggy drivers'

This is my take. I can't count how many times I've seen people make blanket statements about AMD driver issues, someone asks for details on the issue, and the poster hasn't used an AMD card since 4870 days or just shirks off. Leads me to believe a lot of the noise is fanboy based or, and this may sound tin-hat, are shills.

I've used an AMD and nV card every generation since my 9700 pro and 5800 ultra, and while there have been a few ups and downs, both camps are on par -- and there haven't been any real driver issues on either sides for generations.

 

[Cooper]

I do however know plenty of people that would never buy an AMD card because of 'buggy drivers'

I don't have a problem with AMD drivers for new release, mainstream games, issues occur on both brands, but when you get down to niche use cases like emulation, that's where the problems start to show up on the AMD side, far more than Nvidia.

 

[DanF]

the new AMD cards look great for the majority of customers. 4k and VR customers is a tiny percentage so most will be on 1440p screens. 30 series RT performance is fine there and raster performance is almost irrelevant at 1440p now (only games with actual issues will be sub 144fps)

 

[kalniel]

the new AMD cards look great for the majority of customers. 4k and VR customers is a tiny percentage so most will be on 1440p screens. 30 series RT performance is fine there and raster performance is almost irrelevant at 1440p now (only games with actual issues will be sub 144fps)

Looking forward to MSFS reviews - hoping for significantly better than 3000 series performance.

 

[DanF]

Looking forward to MSFS reviews - hoping for significantly better than 3000 series performance.

yeah I'd class that as a troubled game performance wise

 

[Martini1991]

This is so good for us consumers, yet I see people saying AMD failed again, big disappointment..etc. Really? This is a very good move from them and I'm curious how will nVidia react, as their 4080 launch is not looking like a great buy now.

I fail to see how getting gouged by all vendors is good for consumers.

I'd say things are the worst they've ever been for people, even with Intel having "viable" products now.

 

[Besty]

I fail to see how getting gouged by all vendors is good for consumers.

I'd say things are the worst they've ever been for people, even with Intel having "viable" products now.

Absolutely but the world of semi-conductors is about feast and famine. The feast cycle is closing and by 2025 we would have entered a new cycle.

They have the tail end of the feast cycle left and that's, unfortunately, going to last a bit longer.

That 7nm cycle was utterly horrific for sure but the industry is moving on.

 

[ICDP]

I fail to see how getting gouged by all vendors is good for consumers.

I'd say things are the worst they've ever been for people, even with Intel having "viable" products now.

The problem is Nvidia and to a lesser extent AMD had been given the opportunity to charge massive prices for their GPUs due to chip shortages. That is no longer the case but Nvidia still think they have enough mindshare (not marketshare which is different) and expect PC gamers to just snap up their old 30x0 series and pay extortionate prices for the 40x0 range (especially the joke 4080 price). They are basically refusing to adjust and adapt with the times and expect to have it all their own way.

Logic dictates if 7900XTX is ~30% faster in raster than 4080 and 40% slower in RT, then they should be priced similarly. It will be interesting to see how out of touch Nvidia is if they stick to their guns on $1200 for the 4080.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I fail to see how getting gouged by all vendors is good for consumers.

I'd say things are the worst they've ever been for people, even with Intel having "viable" products now.

This far worse than for CPUs - AMD have no doubt taken the mickey with the prices of some of their CPUs(despite people defending it for some weird reason),but you had price cuts on older CPUs.

With dGPUs,its much worse. AMD at least price reduced its previous generations(and I would say closer to what they should have been),ie,RX6900XT dGPUs for under £700,£250ish RX6600,£300ish RX6700,etc.

What has Nvidia done? Said the era of "cheap" dGPUs is over,and hinted they want to clear out Ampere stock at the stupid pricing of the last year or so. The RTX3060 still costs as much as RX6700XT,RTX3080 dGPUs cost as much as RX6900XT,etc. The RX6700XT is faster than an RTX3060 in rasterised performance,and trades blows with it in RT performance.

Then they are trying to sell the RTX3060 successor as a RTX4070TI/RTX4080 12GB,the RTX3070/RTX3070TI successor as a £1300 dGPU.

AMD in comparison is selling an overpriced RX7900 series(since I think £1000 dGPUs are generally OTT),but it's still $100 under the launch price of the RX6950XT and looks faster. What is Nvidia doing with the rest of the RTX4000 series range? They are doing a Turing. How much is this RTX4070TI going to cost? It could be half the speed of an RTX4090 at qHD and still not even beat an RTX3070/RTX3070TI,but probably cost as much or even more. But it will no doubt cost much less to make.

 

[Darujhistan]

This is my take. I can't count how many times I've seen people make blanket statements about AMD driver issues, someone asks for details on the issue, and the poster hasn't used an AMD card since 4870 days or just shirks off. Leads me to believe a lot of the noise is fanboy based or, and this may sound tin-hat, are shills.

I've used an AMD and nV card every generation since my 9700 pro and 5800 ultra, and while there have been a few ups and downs, both camps are on par -- and there haven't been any real driver issues on either sides for generations.

AMD drivers = Urban myth.

That's all there is to it.

 

[Chrisc]

The issue with the 6900 XT, at least from an optics perspective, is a) it's relativity abysmal RT performance, b) driver issues. Now, you can argue that RT still has low adoption and minimal material benefit, and the driver issues are way overstated, -- both statement with which I concur. But that is/was the general impression the market has.

The 7900s are, in my view, Goldilocks cards for many people: 50% better performance than previous gen with RT performance matching Ampere (purportedly), not ridiculously priced (although still distastefully elevated), and several gens ahead from where the still-overstated driver issues originated.

Driver issues?

 

[kieran_read]

the new AMD cards look great for the majority of customers. 4k and VR customers is a tiny percentage so most will be on 1440p screens. 30 series RT performance is fine there and raster performance is almost irrelevant at 1440p now (only games with actual issues will be sub 144fps)

I don't understand why 4k is suddenly an issue for some people (not you) 3090ti was a 4k card last gen yet the 7900xtx which should perform better is suddenly only a 1440p card.

My eyes are going to be abused when I plug a 7900xtx I'm playing 4k on a 1080ti.

 

[Darujhistan]

I don't understand why 4k is suddenly an issue for some people (not you) 3090ti was a 4k card last gen yet the 7900xtx which should perform better is suddenly only a 1440p card.

My eyes are going to be abused when I plug a 7900xtx I'm playing 4k on a 1080ti.

People have to find a way to justify having the most expensive card.

 

[ICDP]

This far worse than for CPUs - AMD have no doubt taken the mickey with the prices of some of their CPUs(despite people defending it for some weird reason),but you had price cuts on older CPUs.

With dGPUs,its much worse. AMD at least price reduced its previous generations(and I would say closer to what they should have been),ie,RX6900XT dGPUs for under £700,£250ish RX6600,£300ish RX6700,etc.

What has Nvidia done? Said the era of "cheap" dGPUs is over,and hinted they want to clear out Ampere stock at the stupid pricing of the last year or so. The RTX3060 still costs as much as RX6700XT,RTX3080 dGPUs cost as much as RX6900XT,etc. The RX6700XT is faster than an RTX3060 in rasterised performance,and trades blows with it in RT performance.

Then they are trying to sell the RTX3060 successor as a RTX4070TI/RTX4080 12GB,the RTX3070/RTX3070TI successor as a £1300 dGPU.

AMD in comparison is selling an overpriced RX7900 series(since I think £1000 dGPUs are generally OTT),but it's still $100 under the launch price of the RX6950XT and looks faster. What is Nvidia doing with the rest of the RTX4000 series range? They are doing a Turing. How much is this RTX4070TI going to cost? It could be half the speed of an RTX4090 at qHD and still not even beat an RTX3070/RTX3070TI,but probably cost as much or even more. But it will no doubt cost much less to make.

Absolutely right. Nvidia are trying to tell us expensive dGPUs are here to stay and it isn't their fault. Yet AMD show that a competitive dGPU can be made for much less than Nvidia are trying to convince us is the new norm.

If the 7800XT matches the 4080 16GB in raster for ~$500 less, then no amount of "but ray tracing" will make it worth that premium. In essence both GPUs will require upscaling to become playable with RT. So that ~$500 extra doesn't really get you anything tangible.

At 4K I can already get 40+ FPS in Nvidia sponsored RT games on my 3080 FE. And yet people still use CP2077 as some sort of RT Nirvana, despite it being a 2 year old game most people will have stopped playing long ago.