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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
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That's interesting the 9800x3d is still using more power at the same frequency. Perhaps the voltage is different or perhaps other changes for example the pipeline change for AVX-512 is both increasing power consumption and performance in some games.
Edit- AVX-512 shouldn't make a difference in PC games so probably some other optimisations at work. Performance is so good for gaming even at 4.8GHz. I wonder why he didn't just disable boost and do all the testing at 4.7Ghz.
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I think we’re around a year and 7 months since 7800x3d was released so a year and 7 months from now is mid 2026 so not that much difference. Who knows what AMD will do they just released a 5600xt lol, perhaps an 9800xt3d ??!
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I agree, but as I said, people seem to forget that not everyone has a 7800x3d and would benefit from the upgrade. Even in this thread there are countless people calling this a pointless CPU because they already have a x3d CPU.
Clearly, this isn't for them...
The REAL question everyone should have right now is after the hardwareunboxed video. does "turbo game mode" that was introduced recently on the am5 platforms in the bios have any difference % in performance on 4k balanced???
Any guess anyone?
Any guess anyone?
a. it is also doing more work
b. may be down to way they downclocked it to 4.8. 3d chips used PBO negative frequency offset, regular ones just a fixed multiplier, manual voltage. I'm sure theres room for tuning voltage curves for 3d chips as well
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my guess this turbo mode is for the 12 core and 16 core x3d parts to disable the none x3d ccd
Story time with Steve's conflict of interest.
People call for benchmarks that will reflect normal game settings and Steve answers with the choice of 1080p native and 1253p upscaled to 4K
Because when you're testing with a 4090 that's how you
Even then TLOU and SwOutlaws instantly bottlenecked going from 1080p to 1253p and half the other games mostly bottlenecked. All because this was at high settings.
Don't worry Steve, other reviewers can find the graphical settings that people will be using or upscaling from for the whole picture.
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I am in wave 2 and was going to wait until the CPU shipped before buying the motherboard in case there are more delays. Stock levels are falling on the board I wanted though so I just bought the MSI x870 Tomahawk which is very well reviewed and has an offer for £15 of steam vouchers. I have the MSI B550M mortar right now which I have liked very much, and a 3700X. I considered going the 5700X3D route but I wanted a RAM upgrade, and the productivity improvements also. I am looking forward to having an iGPU so I can test virtualisation on Proxmox with main GPU passthrough.
Do Overclockers let you add items to unshipped delivery because they have a case I want and would rather not pay double postage? I am worried it might mess up my queue position if I added additional items though.
Do Overclockers let you add items to unshipped delivery because they have a case I want and would rather not pay double postage? I am worried it might mess up my queue position if I added additional items though.
very much not for them
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Again. the point goes straight over your head... did you even watch the video where he clearly explains why he (and many other decent reviewers) test at 1080p?
It's not rocket science...
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Generic and false assumption to copy and paste as if you understood.
There is a point in testing at low graphics.
There is a completely different point in getting scores reflective of what performance a user will get and this requires the settings a user will be using.
*Check the last page where I demonstrated that a user who believed the up to 20% gains at 720p low meant something but in fact realised zero performance gain in the last 4 years with real settings and actual hardware.
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Yes - this is exactly the sort of information that everyone wanted re: 4K.
I don’t care how often Steve or any other tech bro tell me “real world” doesn’t count. I’m not wasting money on a new CPU if it isn’t giving me real world performance improvement TODAY.
Edit: before someone tries to tell me “you obviously don’t get it”. I do get it, lower settings shows CPU overhead. But for real world it’s far better to get on an upgrade cycle every 3 or preferably 4 generations. That way the benefits are actually realised in real world gaming.
Edit: before someone tries to tell me “you obviously don’t get it”. I do get it, lower settings shows CPU overhead. But for real world it’s far better to get on an upgrade cycle every 3 or preferably 4 generations. That way the benefits are actually realised in real world gaming.
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It’s not much of a waste of money if you intend to sell your 7800X3D and recoup most of the cost..
It will cost me slightly more than it should have done due to the customs issues delay which will saturate the market with more 7800X3D’s, but it’s still a small outlay for an upgrade.
Everyone has their own way of doing it. Some people like myself sell their components every gen and recoup most of the money whilst staying up with the top line. Others keep hold of their components for longer, fall behind the top line, and then have to pay full price to upgrade in a couple/few years.
Neither is right or wrong. But it’s a fallacy that it’s massively more expensive to upgrade every gen. If you factor in selling of components, plus the retainment of top performance, it’s really not.
I sold mine 7700x for 212.50 euro. bought it for 465 euro i believe... bought 9800x3d for 560 euro... Still kinda pricey tbh. but yeah.
tbh he should have included an overclocked 4090. mine is about 10% faster then the stock 4090. would show results even better. I mean it is a hardwarechannel ffs
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Yeah, it depends on the specific cpu and stock etc.
If the customs issues hadn’t happened, I would have actually recouped a very large chunk of the upgrade. Now they’ll be more 78000X3D’s on the market, I’ll have to sell it cheaper. However, it’s still a relatively small outlay.
Personally I’d rather do that than wait years with dwindling performance compared to the top line, while my 7800X3D loses all its value. I then have to just use more cash to upgrade.
As said, there’s no real right or wrong way.
Yeah, it depends on the specific cpu and stock etc.
If the customs issues hadn’t happened, I would have actually recouped a very large chunk of the upgrade. Now they’ll be more 78000X3D’s on the market, I’ll have to sell it cheaper. However, it’s still a relatively small outlay.
Personally I’d rather do that than wait years with dwindling performance compared to the top line, while my 7800X3D loses all its value. I then have to just use more cash to upgrade.
As said, there’s no real right or wrong way.
I think it’s more necessary for the people that are intending on picking up the soon to be released 5090 to know it’s headroom.
If you intend to stick with with the same graphics card, then not so much
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