AMD to Nvidia Upgrade time.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:29

Rusty0611 said:
Errr but you're not factoring overclocks and you're comparing a factory overclocked card vs a non factory overclocked card.

D'oh!

I'm comparing them as they come out of the box.

The MSi GTX 660 Ti overclocks too you know, probably better than a reference GTX 670 too

I know significant gains can be had by overclocking the memory only if that sort of thing floats your boat.

It performs fine at stock and I have not felt the need for the extra 2 or 3 fps that overclocking will give.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:30

imginy said:
I also had lots of issues with amd drivers which is why I switched to nvidia.

Don't bother with 5 series cards they get beaten by any newer cards.

If your wanting to play at 1080p then I would go for the 660ti or the 670 depending on whats on offer.

If your wanting higher resolutions and/or plan on crossfiring go for the 670 because 660ti isn't great above 1080p or crossfire.

You mean SLi but yes, at last someone talking sense.

Gregster · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:30

The biggest problem is the 660TI only has a 192Bit memory bus and on larger displays, it will be very limiting.

tommybhoy · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:30

OT(sorry op),

@Rusty:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23270700&postcount=84

Rusty0611 · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:33

gregster said:
The biggest problem is the 660TI only has a 192Bit memory bus and on larger displays, it will be very limiting.

Even on 1080 it's going to be a limiting factor somewhat. As we know, the GPUs are pretty similar between the 660Ti/670/680.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:34

gregster said:
The biggest problem is the 660TI only has a 192Bit memory bus and on larger displays, it will be very limiting.

I realise this.

It has been purposely 'nerfed' by nVidia and I suspect that this is the reason it is so poorly thought of on these forums.

I have only ever suggested a resoultion of 1080p as that is the resoultion I use.

The GTX 670 is a better card no doubt, but the Ti isn't the garbage that it is made out to be on here.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:34

Rusty0611 said:
Even on 1080 it's going to be a limiting factor somewhat. As we know, the GPUs are pretty similar between the 660Ti/670/680.

PROOF and not speculation Rusty....Otherwise it is purely TROLLING.

imginy · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:38

gregster said:
The biggest problem is the 660TI only has a 192Bit memory bus and on larger displays, it will be very limiting.

Yes there is a couple of games at 1080p where you notice the memory shortage but I find overclocking the memory to over 7000mhz seems to sort that out.
If the OP isn't up for overclocking the memory I would definetely avoid the 660ti.

Although I feel my 660ti can play anything max settings 1080p I still plan on upgrading next year to the gtx 770

Gregster I plan on posting a new 3dmark after Christmas when I get my i5 showing my 660ti getting 10000 points for graphics.

Gregster · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:38

SkodaMart said:
I realise this.

It has been purposely 'nerfed' by nVidia and I suspect that this is the reason it is so poorly thought of on these forums.

I have only ever suggested a resoultion of 1080p as that is the resoultion I use.

The GTX 670 is a better card no doubt, but the Ti isn't the garbage that it is made out to be on here.

Nobody has said it is garbage (that I have read) but it is too expensive. The whole of the Nvidia range is over priced and the 660TI/680 are the two that stand out like sore thumbs.

imginy said:
Yes there is a couple of games at 1080p where you notice the memory shortage but I find overclocking the memory to over 7000mhz seems to sort that out.

Although I feel my 660ti can play anything max settings 1080p I still plan on upgrading next year to the gtx 770

Gregster I plan on posting a new 3dmark after Christmas when I get my i5 showing my 660ti getting 10000 points for graphics.

Nice one. the I5 is a great chip

Rusty0611 · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:49

SkodaMart said:
PROOF and not speculation Rusty....Otherwise it is purely TROLLING.

Just because you don't like what is being said doesn't mean it's trolling.

Plenty of other people have pointed out the short comings in what you've said in this thread alone to make me not take that comment seriously.

It's just standard knowledge that AA will cripple a 192 bit bus. Why are you asking for proof??

As you asked so nicely for proof though I thought I'd oblige:

Look at the yellow line nose diving like a shot down plane

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The interesting thing (to me) is that it can't keep pace with a 7870 when 4x MSAA is applied.

tommybhoy · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:53

gregster said:
Nobody has said it is garbage (that I have read) but it is too expensive.

+1

It's a great card(the 7's and the 6's are both great in themselves) but gets hammered by the competition at cheaper/similar price points.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:54

So your comments should be that GTX 660 Ti doesn't like AA.

I have nothing at all against posts like the one above and they can be helpful when making a choice.

Some may find it petty to post things like that, but it isn't. It is valuable information.
If I need more performance I know now to turn AA down (I knew that already but to some it could be useful)

When the new cards come out next year everyone who is passionate about graphics cards will want to upgrade regardless of how good their HD 7950 is

Rusty0611 said:
Look at the yellow line nose diving like a shot down plane .

Looks like the green one is about to follow it

Rusty0611 · 2 Dec 2012 at 14:00

SkodaMart said:
So your comments should be that GTX 660 Ti doesn't like AA.

No my comment shall remain the following:

Rusty0611 said:
Even on 1080 it's going to be a limiting factor somewhat. As we know, the GPUs are pretty similar between the 660Ti/670/680.

As it's proven to be true.

The only difference in the results above is the AA being applied. The 670 has a slight drop at 2x MSAA and the 660Ti has a sharp drop at the same AA setting. As the test is a memory bandwidth test it is therefore correct to say the 192 bit bus is the limiting factor. To which you responded:

SkodaMart said:
PROOF and not speculation Rusty....Otherwise it is purely TROLLING.

Which is what I did.

SkodaMart said:
Some may find it petty to post things like that

I don't think anyone will really find it petty? It's a link to graph about the current discussion?

It's OK to admit you had it wrong... I'm not going to start jumping up and down. You shouldn't accuse someone of 'TROLLING' though when they either know more on the subject or have read more on the subject.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 14:04

Rusty If I seriously posted what I think I would be permabanned.

Your post above is very childish to say the least.

You posted a graph showing an useful advantage over nVidia cards and then go and spoil it with a silly post like that. :confused:

Edit: and I say over nVidia cards as the GTX 670 is takin' a dive too.

Rusty0611 · 2 Dec 2012 at 14:07

Childish?? :confused:

OK.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 14:10

Rusty0611 said:
It's OK to admit you had it wrong... I'm not going to start jumping up and down. You shouldn't accuse someone of 'TROLLING' though when they either know more on the subject or have read more on the subject.

What did I have wrong?

You 'lied' to me when you said the 12.11 drivers were without issues.

Everything I said about the Ti was true.

You have highlighted that ATi cards are better than nVidia when it comes to AA, which is a well known fact anyhow.

IC3 · 2 Dec 2012 at 14:12

7950 the best bang for buck. That's a fact get over it...

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 14:13

IC3 said:
7950 the best bang for buck. That's a fact get over it...

If you are lucky enough to get one that works.

Edit: I'm bored of this now.

By the time I get round to actually playing some games with my card it will be out of date.

'Which card is best for benchmarking.... Then arguing about which card is best for months, seems to be a favourite game for many.

Can't seem to find that one on Steam though.....

Rusty0611 · 2 Dec 2012 at 14:16

SkodaMart said:
What did I have wrong?

You 'lied' to me when you said the 12.11 drivers were without issues.

Where did I say that? I don't think I can really comment on the viability of the 12.11 drivers as a whole can I? I can say I/others I speak to don't have problems with them but that's about all I can realistically comment on isn't it? :eek:

SkodaMart said:
You have highlighted that ATi cards are better than nVidia when it comes to AA, which is a well known fact anyhow.

It's also a well known fact that a 192 bit bus is a limiting factor at 1080p on the 660Ti but you still accused me of 'TROLLING' and asked for proof.

I'm not talking about AMD cards anyway. Why are you?

The link was to prove to you that the 192 bit bus was the limiting factor at 1080.

Comparing the drop-offs between the 660Ti and the 670 proves this point.

Von Smallhausen · 2 Dec 2012 at 14:16

Keep the debate up by all means folks but personal comments seeped in which have been removed.