AMD to Nvidia Upgrade time.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:36

You also said that there was no issue with the 12.11 drivers.

Looks like a last ditch effort from AMD to save itself from impending doom to me.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:37

I will admit, I love PC harware, but I am not a fan of overclocking.

Kaapstad · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:37

SkodaMart said:
I'm starting to think you are blind/illiterate/ignorant?

Your entitled to think whatever you want

But you should not make comments like the one above in writing

I think an apology may be in order.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:39

Kaapstad said:
Your entitled to think whatever you want

But you should not make comments like the one above in writing

I think an apology may be in order.

Apology? lol

"I think" is merely implying that he chooses to ignore every bit of evidence I submit to counter his arguments.

Marine-RX179 · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:39

SkodaMart said:
I'm starting to think you are blind/illiterate/ignorant?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power_Edition/

Looks like it gives the GTX 670 a fair run for it's money to me?

If a good quality GTX670 with a full size PCB and custom cooler can be found for the same price as one of those reference GTX670 with a dwarf PCB and cappy blower cooler, then I would probably agree with you...but as things stand, a "good" GTX670 would set people back by £300 on average, which is a lot more expensive than the "low price" of the reference GTX670 you keep referring to...

But on the other side of the field, I do agree that AMD driver can be a pain in the rear. I've been on 12.8 for a long time, and there was the idle clock bug which I just ignored for a long time, then I eventually decided to try my luck with 12.10 and the screen was flickering like crazy even just on desktop, so had to roll back to 12.8 (despite it still has the idle clock issue, but at least it is something I can overlook unlike screen flickering).

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:42

Marine-RX179 said:
If a good quality GTX670 with a full size PCB and custom cooler can be found for the same price as one of those reference GTX670 with a dwarf PCB and cappy blower cooler, then I would probably agree with you...but as things stand, a "good" GTX670 would set people back by £300 on average, which is a lot more expensive than the "low price" of the reference GTX670 you keep referring to...

I was saying that the GTX 660Ti performed nearly as well as a reference GTX 670. :confused:

I was also implying that a custom cooled GTX is overpriced.

Kaapstad · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:43

SkodaMart said:
Apology? lol

"I think" is merely implying that he chooses to ignore every bit of evidence I submit to counter his arguments.

You don't have to agree with him

And you definately don't have to insult anyone for their views.

Rusty0611 · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:45

SkodaMart said:
Apology? lol

"I think" is merely implying that he chooses to ignore every bit of evidence I submit to counter his arguments.

Well your evidence actually backs up my point. 8% slower in BF3 for almost the same price as a reference 670.

Everyone on the thread is disagreeing with you now.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:45

Kaapstad said:
You don't have to agree with him

And you definately don't have to insult anyone for their views.

I didn't insult him

I am suggesting that he is very selective about what he quotes and posts.

Nothing more.

My point stands.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:49

Rusty0611 said:
Well your evidence actually backs up my point. 8% slower in BF3 for almost the same price as a reference 670.

Everyone on the thread is disagreeing with you now.

SkodaMart said:
In this price range we have custom cooled GTX 660Ti's or reference GTX 670's

The GTX 670 is obviously the faster choice but a reference cooler isn't to everybody's liking as they can be noisey (a point that you brought to my attention).

Lol I said that back in post 13!

Marine-RX179 · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:51

SkodaMart said:
I was saying that the GTX 660Ti performed nearly as well as a reference GTX 670.

I was also implying that a custom cooled GTX is overpriced.

It's not sure much about custom cards being overpriced...it's more about the reference cards get cut down so greatly in a way that it's may not worth the money saved even if it was cheaper.

Value for money is about price vs performance & quality; when quality of the product poor, even if the price was cheaper, it doesn't mean it is better value for money.

Seriously, I don't really get your obsession with the GTX660Ti. Everytime someone criticise it, you respond like someone has insulted your wife...

Kaapstad · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:53

SkodaMart said:
I'm starting to think you are blind/illiterate/ignorant?

This looks like an insult to me

SkodaMart said:
I didn't insult him

I am suggesting that he is very selective about what he quotes and posts.

Nothing more.

My point stands.

I think you should apologise

Rusty0611 · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:54

I suggest you re-read post #16. That's your own price/performance sweet spot of which the 660Ti has no home being mentioned as good price/performance.

A custom cooled 670 (with its substantial OC headroom) around the £299 mark - i.e. 680 PCB/cooler - is the best price/performance ratio other than the 660 at the low/mid range.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:58

Rusty0611 said:
I suggest you re-read post #16. That's your own price/performance sweet spot of which the 660Ti has no home being mentioned as good price/performance.

OK brb

Gregster · 2 Dec 2012 at 12:59

Marine-RX179 said:
It's not sure much about custom cards being overpriced...it's more about the reference cards get cut down so greatly in a way that it's may not worth the money saved even if it was cheaper.

Value for money is about price vs performance & quality; when quality of the product poor, even if the price was cheaper, it doesn't mean it is better value for money.

Seriously, I don't really get your obsession with the GTX660Ti. Everytime someone criticise it, you respond like someone has insulted your wife...

From my understanding and I am happy to be told other wise, I believe that Custom PCB cards have better components and more phase capacitors. I know certain 670 PCB's which are on full size 680 PCB's have one or two more phase capacitors, which in turn helps for overclocking (or in theory should).

On saying that though, there is a 670 in the 3DMark11 thread that scored massively on a EVGA 670 with a 670 PCB.

tommybhoy · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:01

@op, not taking this into an argument, but, take a look at the Nvidia beta threads, it isn't problem free either and Whql's from Nvidia are few and far between this gen.

Another thing to point out is is why do you need to upgrade drivers on the 69's when for the most part, they are optimised already and all you need is the caps?

It's the caps that provide scaling 99% of the time, not the driver.

I would suggest going back to pre 12.7 drivers and use the latest caps and see what this brings first, unless you just want new toys.

The 7950 is the wise mans choice, but since you have been on 69 CrossFire, you may see the best from a good clocking 7970@1200MHz like one of the IceQ's.

Failing that, your looking at a custom cooled 680.

SkodaMart said:
I was saying that the GTX 660Ti performed nearly as well as a reference GTX 670.

I think you are confusing yourself now, never mind the rest of us.

By your reckoning, in order for it to perform nearly as well it would have to be oc'ed, it would stutter, no?

NiteSurfer · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:05

Lots of good replies and interesting comparisons, Thanks.

Feel free to add more info..

I think my mind will be made up when the 12.11 Final Release comes out.

But I'm leaning towards a single GTX card now, after reading peoples posts.

SkodaMart · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:14

Looking at the techpowerup review summary at 1920 x 1200 the GTX 670 performs 8% faster than the MSi GTX 660 Ti

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power_Edition/

Therefore the cheapest GTX 670 should cost 8% more than the MSi GTX 660 Ti.

£249.95 + 8% = £269.95

The current cheapest GTX 670 is £275.99

Ok so lets check it against the GTX 680.

Using the same graph above the GTX 680 performs 18% faster than the MSi GTX 660Ti at 1920 x 1200.

Therefore the cheapest GTX 680 should cost 18% more than the MSi GTX 660 Ti.

£249.95 + 18% = £294.95

The current cheapest GTX 680 is £359.99

With current OCUK pricing the GTX 660Ti is THE best value card at 1920 x 1080p when comparing the GTX 660 Ti, GTX 670 and GTX 680.

The GTX 660 offers even better value, but you will have to turn settings down to enjoy gameplay at this resoultion.

imginy · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:24

I also had lots of issues with amd drivers which is why I switched to nvidia.

Don't bother with 5 series cards they get beaten by any newer cards.

If your wanting to play at 1080p then I would go for the 660ti or the 670 depending on whats on offer.

If your wanting higher resolutions and/or plan on crossfiring go for the 670 because 660ti isn't great above 1080p or crossfire.

Rusty0611 · 2 Dec 2012 at 13:26

Errr but you're not factoring overclocks and you're comparing a factory overclocked card vs a non factory overclocked card.

D'oh!

Marine-RX179 said:
Seriously, I don't really get your obsession with the GTX660Ti. Everytime someone criticise it, you respond like someone has insulted your wife...

tommybhoy said:
I think you are confusing yourself now, never mind the rest of us.

By your reckoning, in order for it to perform nearly as well it would have to be oc'ed, it would stutter, no?

+1