AMD trinity build is popular...

Lucozade

Lucozade

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AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor

Any idea why most people choose this for low budget gaming over an i3? im looking to build a £320 cheap gaming rig to play guild wars 2/dragon nest/WoW and a few other mmo type games and wondered if the inbuilt GPU on the core was enough to handle such games on maybe med-hi settings?

Im interested in learning more about cheap gaming rigs thats why i ask.

Thanks.
 
The onboard graphics is 640 level which is much better than any other onboard graphics, an A10 is £95 while an i3 and a 7770 is nearly twice that.

For £320 what do you need?
 
I need a full system really..a gaming rig thats got just enough kick to play decent games (im not into blops2 or crysis on max graphics or anything) just enough to play guild wars 2/dragon nest/wow on med-hi settings like i said before. :D

Edit: my laptop i currently use is so bad it cant run wow fluently on lowest settings..in pvp mass battles it really dies hard on me.
Advent laptop with these specs.
Intel centrino T3500
windows7 premium
4gig ddr3 ram
320gig sata
integrated intel mobile 4 series
 
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i have the keyboard/mouse but no OS.. im gonna ask for a preinstalled OS and try just grab a day 1 backup and keep that. OS's are dam expensive D:

I see multiple trinity builds....if i could get a graphics card for it what would be the best choice? the AMD A10 has crossfire right? so a card that utalises crossfire would be great for cheap fast boost to performance when it comes to a gfx card.
 
What is your absolute max budget? Not what you would "like" to spend, but what you can actually afford to spend?
 
If you had access to the For Sale section i'd say get everything on there as you would get a much better spec for the money including GPU... but sadly you only have 4 posts so will be a while before you can do that. :(
 
An OS is needed i guess but i cant put that into the price..it would skyrocket.

Edit: something like this would be good enough?
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £95.99
1 x ASRock FM2A75M-DGS AMD A75 Chipset (Socket FM2) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £52.99
1 x XFX Pro 450W Core Edition '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £43.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST500DM002) £43.99
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17000C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TXD38G2133HC11DC01) £35.99
1 x Zalman T1 Mini Tower Case - Black ** OcUK Exclusive ** £24.98
1 x OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £14.99
Total : £325.52 (includes shipping : £10.50).
 
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Without OS;

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £95.99
1 x ASRock FM2A55M-DGS AMD A55 Chipset (Socket FM2) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £44.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST500DM002) £43.99
1 x XFX Pro 450W Core Edition '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £43.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED38GM1600HC11DC01) £28
1 x Xigmatek Helios XTK231 Mini Tower Case - Black £24.98
1 x LG GH24NS95 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
Total : £310.52 (includes shipping : £10.50).



With OS;

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £95.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00403) £79.99
1 x ASRock FM2A55M-DGS AMD A55 Chipset (Socket FM2) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £44.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST500DM002) £43.99
1 x XFX Pro 450W Core Edition '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £43.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED38GM1600HC11DC01) £28
1 x Xigmatek Helios XTK231 Mini Tower Case - Black £24.98
1 x LG GH24NS95 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
Total : £390.52 (includes shipping : £10.50).



And try to sell the Laptop instead as you could probably still get £100+ for it either here or elsewhere, and then still play on the Xbox occasionally.
 
The only problem is that (in my opinion) the AMD trinity platform is a complete dead-end. It's fine saying "Oh yes this is a cheap build that will give you 6-12 months of gaming", but the platform is very, very weak and I doubt future revisions are going to add much on top of that. So in essence, you are spending that money on something that will be almost un-upgradeable (to real benefit) in the future... so it is a false economy.

Whereas if you spend more at the start and go for an Intel build with a decent motherboard, then you could start with the cheapest (and very overclockable) i3, and then in a year or two stick in a relatively cheap (to nowadays prices) quad-core i5 or even i7 Ivy Bridge that will provide a huge boost over your i3 (which again, you can anyway overclock) should your budget be good enough. Basically, an Intel rig will last you a lot longer than an AMD rig, of that I am 1000% certain.

I would really suggest saving some extra money and getting the following:

-Intel Core i3-3220 3.30GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - £99 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-430-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=567

-Gigabyte Z77-DS3H Intel Z77 - £76 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-401-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=2261

-Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit - £29 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-290-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1517

-OCZ CoreXtreme 500w '80 Plus' Power Supply - £33 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-063-OC&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1098

-Xigmatek Asgard Pro Gaming Case - £33 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-018-XG&groupid=2362&catid=2277&subcat=

-Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - £60 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=14&subid=1279&sortby=priceAsc

That is around £331 without a graphics card or OS, but will provide a solid platform on which to get those. I highly suggest getting a used, previous-gen graphics card from Ebay with good specs like a 5870 or similar, you will get much more bang for your buck and it will then turn into a serious gaming system. Maybe someone will see this thread and offer you something they're selling in the Members Market, who knows.

Just trust me when I say that it will represent much better long-term value than the AMD Trinity rig. :)
 
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Have to agree with Richdog on this, the build he suggested will provide a long term path and much more value for money in the long term
 
I agree with Richdog, but you have to see the problem, He can do £330 Max, then has to buy OS on top of this. Making your build more expensive.

With your build it is £330, but add DVDwr +£18, add OS +£80, add graphics card +£80-£110

Your build is now at £510-£540, to get it to a point where he can use it for what he wants. Where as mine totaling £390 is ready to use, albeit without much of an upgrade path unless AMD Release a new FM2 APU/CPU, which is unlikely.

So OP, you have 2 choices;

£390 - Ready to use for what you want, will be easily able to do what you want for 1.5/2 years before a graphics upgrade will be needed, at which point you may have more funds.

or

£510-£540: Will have to source own Graphics card via "bidding" (included in budget), easily upgrade able in the future due to higher end Intel CPU's still using that socket. This build will give better performance, but obviously at a cost. But is essentially future proof.

If you have the money go for Richdog's build, as it is better. If not go for mine, maybe tweaked a little to your own likes with the Case.

If you can source £510, go for Richdogs :)
 
Bacon? said:
The onboard graphics is 640 level which is much better than any other onboard graphics, an A10 is £95 while an i3 and a 7770 is nearly twice that.

For £320 what do you need?
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In all the tests I've seen, the 640 > Trinity IGP.

Maybe if you had fast RAM and OC'ed the IGP, then it'd be 640+ level.

And I wouldn't call that board a bad board.

That said, I'd have to go for the A10 build for the short term, can always throw a mid range GPU in there at a later date, unless they could get money quickly.
 
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Ah thanks for pointing that out Bacon? Im not too knowledgeable on Intel Builds, but I do remember without a K on the end of the CPU Name its unclockable. Just I have learned not to question them when someone specs one.

What build would you recommend then?
 
NB: buy this RAM as was suggested by lucozade:

1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17000C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TXD38G2133HC11DC01) £35.99

£7 more but the IGP performance is increased quite a bit due to the speed of that RAM.
 
Bacon? said:
Well Richdog has got a few bits wrong. A bad motherboard and the i3's are locked.
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Can you please link me to evidence that the mobo is "bad"?

Also, the i3 IS overclockable... it's just that the multiplier is locked. You will get around a few of hundred mhz on top of stock. So please be clearer in your posts.

However the overall point of my post is still more than valid, the AMD Trinity rig is a short-term and short-sighted buy that will cost you more in the long run. Better to save for longer and do that than give in and buy now.

OliverDavis said:
I agree with Richdog, but you have to see the problem, He can do £330 Max, then has to buy OS on top of this. Making your build more expensive.
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There are ways to get the OS cheaper (without pirating). Also, the GPU can also be had for half that price if he gets a used 4870 or similar card.
 
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