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AMD using Intel processors in their Machines

Good decision, appropriate CPU choice for the segment they're aiming at is important. I'd be more concerned at their business sense if they thought going all-AMD was a good idea, not at all what their APUs are aimed at.
 
More cores aren't the answer for CPU's and on paper Zen will bring AMD right back into game but they will still have the same problems as they have always had. Even back in the day when Intel were getting whipped by AMD at every turn the big box resellers like Dell refused outright to sell systems with AMD CPU's because Intel was paying for ‘marketing promotions’ which turned out to bribes. And when when Intel had the technological edge they had stifled AMD out the majority of the markets including the highly profitable high end performance segments.

It doesn’t seem to matter what AMD does they will always be 2nd fiddle to Intel. Intel will either outspend them in R&D, bribe, blackmail etc, etc to stay at that top because they have the means to do so.
 
faceman123 said:
Zen needs to be epic, it's like the final stand make or break tbh, but i sense a 16 core 8350...............
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I guess their dream is that all games developers start optimising for 8 slow threads rather than 1-4 fast ones. And I guess it's possible that once you've written your game for 8, then it'd naturally expand in the presence of 16. In AMD's mind.

Not that I don't want better IPC and single-threaded performance from Zen! If it came out and stomped Skylake in Minecraft and Kerbal Space Program, I'd jump ship like an oily rat!
 
eddiew said:
I guess their dream is that all games developers start optimising for 8 slow threads rather than 1-4 fast ones. And I guess it's possible that once you've written your game for 8, then it'd naturally expand in the presence of 16. In AMD's mind.

Not that I don't want better IPC and single-threaded performance from Zen! If it came out and stomped Skylake in Minecraft and Kerbal Space Program, I'd jump ship like an oily rat!
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And here I am using a pentium...
 
It does look a bit bad, but it would be more foolish to neuter the performance on their high-end cards by pairing it with a crappy APU.
 
I think they've done the right thing. I imagine they'll offer a version of this system with one of their own CPUs in it anyway, but for the sake of unfettered performance, and certainly if they hope to sell this machine onto gamers, they need to offer an Intel CPU spec.
 
Trying to match up the contact points on the edge of the CPU with something, nearest match is something like the G3258, so not exactly high end either.

Edit: Saying that, Devil's Canyon has contacts in the same pattern.
 
AMD needs Zen to be epic and actually take on intel in both enthusiast and mainstream. Intel need some competition tbh then we might see some gains from intel.
 
By the time it's actually productionised, it may well be using Zen ... I'm skeptical they can get the Morpheus concept mass produced before the end of Q1 next year ... or maybe it's further along than I think.

Zen should be a gigantic upgrade over FX Piledriver. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it beats desktop enthusiast Skylake (rather than HEDT / -E) heavily in some scenarios. Intel have been treading water for so long now, as AMD haven't touched their CPUs (as opposed to APUs) in years.

Aside from a newer, better architecture, the move to GF/Samsung 14nmFF cannot be underestimated. From what I've seen, Samsung 14nmFF LP has a large performance lead over Intel 14nmFF in the lower power processors (and is much less expensive). If this is replicated in the GF/Sam 14nmFF LP+, it'll be a complete turnaround in the process lead that Intel have enjoyed almost forever.
 
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