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AMD V NVidia - Fine Wine testing.
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Started watching this vid and very interesting. Only got as far as the 290 and gotta shoot but felt it worth a mention.
I will watch the rest in a bit
See my post here from yesterday from a reference Vega I got for experimenting.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32219331/
And compare it to the reviewers results from last year like Guru3d etc.
Also pointing out GTX1080 @ 2190 watercooled, does 25630 graphic score and most 1080 on air do around 23500 even with current drivers.
Also see the RX290/390 over the years and the performance it has today against it's contemporary GTX780Ti and Titan X.
Pay a visit at eg Guru3d website to see the FPS difference.
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TPU's numbers don't really reflect realworld 780/780Ti performance (as can be seen in some of the more recent video side by side comparisons published more recently where you can see they are running proper boost clocks). That isn't to say I'd recommend the 700 series today.
To put some perspective on it - I bought a 780GHz around the time a friend IRL bought a 290X Tri-X and it took almost 2 years before he caught up on performance overall and it wasn't long after that I was starting to think of upgrading and I'd have still made the move to the 1070 regardless of which card I'd been using. I'd rather have the performance advantage front loaded.
To put some perspective on it - I bought a 780GHz around the time a friend IRL bought a 290X Tri-X and it took almost 2 years before he caught up on performance overall and it wasn't long after that I was starting to think of upgrading and I'd have still made the move to the 1070 regardless of which card I'd been using. I'd rather have the performance advantage front loaded.
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That video lol, guy should have stayed in school xD
Let's mash all this data together and see if we can get anything usable out of it! nope
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I mean, "let's compare these cards average performance in a group of games, and then we can compare it to their average performance in another group of games three years later at a different resolution", variable much?
Hell, the guy is using 7970 and 7970GE interchangeably to try and big up the gulf (as it's the same card with a different BIOS) yet fails to do the same for the 680 and 770, there's no way he doesn't know that's also the same card with different BIOS, that's not just being sloppy that's intentionally fudging the data >.>
Let's mash all this data together and see if we can get anything usable out of it! nope
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I mean, "let's compare these cards average performance in a group of games, and then we can compare it to their average performance in another group of games three years later at a different resolution", variable much?
Hell, the guy is using 7970 and 7970GE interchangeably to try and big up the gulf (as it's the same card with a different BIOS) yet fails to do the same for the 680 and 770, there's no way he doesn't know that's also the same card with different BIOS, that's not just being sloppy that's intentionally fudging the data >.>
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That video lol, guy should have stayed in school xD
Let's mash all this data together and see if we can get anything usable out of it! nope
*EDIT*
I mean, "let's compare these cards average performance in a group of games, and then we can compare it to their average performance in another group of games three years later at a different resolution", variable much?
Hell, the guy is using 7970 and 7970GE interchangeably to try and big up the gulf (as it's the same card with a different BIOS) yet fails to do the same for the 680 and 770, there's no way he doesn't know that's also the same card with different BIOS, that's not just being sloppy that's intentionally fudging the data >.>
Yeah. In addition is annoying when I see FuryX/Nano being benched even today when nobody, except few users, has upgraged to the AMD UEFI Bios.
That BIOS due to the reduced latency communicating with the mobo, improves the performance by almost 10% allowing also another 10% higher overclocks.
Wow, really surprised the AMD fans don't like this video, as to me it show that AMD's fine wine is very true and definitely demonstrates that AMD cards do gain more over time than NVidia cards do.
Really dot understand why you don't all like it.
Really dot understand why you don't all like it.
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It's nice but I don't buy a GPU for future performance. My buy is sold based on how much an upgrade it is over what I already using. Anything after that is a gain.
I get more excited for AMD yearly driver upgrades tbh features etc
I get more excited for AMD yearly driver upgrades tbh features etc
Same, I watched it all and thought it was great for the AMD users, especially those who like to keep their GPUs for a few years. AMD do keep helping out older tech, whilst NVidia seem to just move on to the newer tech.
It's not that AMD cards are getting a lot faster. It's more that older geforce cards start to see poorer performance in new games, because Nvidia seem to abandon them once a new generation gets released.
Eventually you run in to games that just run like crap, but to bad because Nvidia won't bother optimising or fixing bugs for an old card. Which is what happened when I was using a 780. They want you to hand over £1200 for a new GPU. That is part of their business model and why we shouldn't support them.
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We will just have to remember when the next time fine wine is praised as being a massive plus for AMD that the AMD crowd don't really care about it.
We will just have to remember when the next time fine wine is praised as being a massive plus for AMD that the AMD crowd don't really care about it.
I don't really think anything at all conclusive can be taken from a sample size of 1. I use an AMD gpu and cpu and even I can see that really this means absolutely nothing given it's numbers thrown together from a single source.
What..…..?
Did you even watch the video.
You do realise that this is very favourable for AMD, it clearly shows that Fine wine is a real thing, AMD GPU's really gain more against their NVidia counterparts over time.
I don't understand why AMD supporters don't like this.
Or is it just because @Gregster posted it so you all assume it was anti AMD.
Did you even watch the video.
You do realise that this is very favourable for AMD, it clearly shows that Fine wine is a real thing, AMD GPU's really gain more against their NVidia counterparts over time.
I don't understand why AMD supporters don't like this.
Or is it just because @Gregster posted it so you all assume it was anti AMD.
I'm not really sure how it is favourable to AMD? it mostly shows they start poorly against the equivalent nVidia cards and take awhile to match them and if you wait 2 years or so you might maybe beat them... by about the time the card goes EOL.
If nVidia held performance back 5-10% and trickled it out with driver updates over 2 years people would be up in arms.
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https://www.techspot.com/review/1418-geforce-gtx-780-four-years-later/page9.html
Not sure how great AMD fine wine truly is, but Nvidia vinegar seem to be amazing.
Not sure how great AMD fine wine truly is, but Nvidia vinegar seem to be amazing.
The games are getting best performance from day one. Thia isnt about driver improvements its about the newer games and how the cards handle them.
So no your not having to wait to get the best from the card it just means the performance will still be there for longer. Who spends £300 on a graphics card to last for 3 games.
And 480 was not intended to face the 1060 is was comparible to a 970. 580 was against 1060.
What..…..?
Did you even watch the video.
You do realise that this is very favourable for AMD, it clearly shows that Fine wine is a real thing, AMD GPU's really gain more against their NVidia counterparts over time.
I don't understand why AMD supporters don't like this.
Or is it just because @Gregster posted it so you all assume it was anti AMD.
I do think a lot of people see who posted it and thought I was being anti AMD and straight on the defence without watching. Whilst the gains over the period were small as such, it does show AMD do look after their users and NVidia tend to drop the older tech. Oh well, made me chuckle at some of the comments
I agree to a point but I do feel that NVidia will put all their resources into current cards and tend to move on from older cards. I wouldn't say they ignore performance gains for older tech but instead of 10 people working on them, they drop it to one and in his lunch break
Ohhh and if NVidia held performance back, there would be murders lol