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AMD Vesuvius R9 295 X2 Inbound

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It appears that the GTX 790, Nvidia’s Dual GPU Flagship has finally been listed. Its memory appears to have been reduced from 10 GB to 6GB total. Also, the TITAN Black edition featuring 6GB of Ram and a fully unlocked GK110 core is listed as well. Knowing the tit for tat response it is now safe to say that we should expect AMD Vesuvius R9 290x x2 .
AMD Vesuvius GPUThe Vesuvius Volcano
With GTX 790 and TITAN Black listed, When is AMD’s Dual Hawai-XT R9 290x X2 ‘Vesuvius’ Coming?
We knew GTX 790 and the Titan Black were coming and Videocardz broke the news that they have finally been listed. This brings the total of all the new NVIDIA arrivals to four.
Namely 2 Maxwells (GTX 750 Ti and GTX 750) and 2 High End Keplers (GTX 790 and GTX TITAN Black). But i have just received word that AMD is switching Vesuvius into gear as well. Seethe thing is, no company really wanted to release the Dual GPU cards and were waiting for the other to release the same. I am not sure what exactly prompted Nvidia to release the 790 but i will take a guess. The GTX 750 Ti has been getting a lot of bad press over being the first Maxwell card and scoring lower than its Kepler Variant. The release of the GTX 790 and the Flagship TITAN Black will help turn the tide back in Green’s favor.


Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-vesuvius-r9-290x-x2-inbound/#ixzz2rW4nyaz3
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These dual cards become incredibly affordable after a few months, I don't mind em. IF they are not.. Volcanoes or otherwise unable to be run in a normal case :p

That titan black stuff sounds incredibly useless though.
 
Yeah I do agree that the dual cards are good for people who don't have room for 2 cards in their case but still want the power, but the Maxwell 750/750Ti seem pretty pointless to me given that they supposedly don't even match the 660 in terms of performance.
 
PhysicsMan94 said:
Yeah I do agree that the dual cards are good for people who don't have room for 2 cards in their case but still want the power, but the Maxwell 750/750Ti seem pretty pointless to me given that they supposedly don't even match the 660 in terms of performance.
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i think a dual card will be best next time around, interesting future :cool:
 
PhysicsMan94 said:
Dammit, why can't they all just hurry up with 20nm already?!
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Because 20nm doesn't hold a lot of benefits, it's electrical property improvements, ie, power reduction, are limited. 16nm finfet version of 20nm is said to offer a 40% power reduction over 20%. Imagine a 300w tdp card, that is suddenly 180W instead, then up shader count to compensate and you have a serious high end card compared to 20nm.

IF these dual card shenanigans are true it more than ever indicates no high end on 20nm, but that they are waiting for 16nm.

16nm is only a year behind 20nm, because it's effectively the same process, it's still a 20nm base metal layer(which is where you really take your process name) and they they are sticking finfet transistors on top of the metal layer rather than normal transistors. These are a little thinner(because they are more vertical than horizontal like Intel's 22nm), so they are calling it 16nm, it kind of is, kind of isn't. Either way because it's the same equipment, same base layer and same 20nm equipment, the idea of them being only a year later(possibly even a little sooner) is not an out there theory.

Spending money on R&D for a high end dual card that wouldn't even launch for another couple months and has LOADS of downsides with minimal volume would be borderline retarded if they were only 2-3 months ahead of replacement 20nm parts.

We may/may not see a midrange part on 20nm, if that is upper midrange (7970/680gtx) or lower midrange (7870...660ti?) who knows. It wouldn't be surprising to see them skip 20nm entirely as there is very little long term benefit. You'd save 10's of millions not playing around with 20nm design/transistors, and putting the R&D, time into 16nm tape outs and there would likely be a huge amount of waste.

There is a reason Nvidia have done an entirely new product, low end maxwell, on 28nm and not 20nm, which I think bodes very poorly for new faster shiney 20nm products in the next year. But 2015 and 16nm could easily bring about the full 80-90% full on generational improvements we haven't been seeing of late.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Because 20nm doesn't hold a lot of benefits, it's electrical property improvements, ie, power reduction, are limited. 16nm finfet version of 20nm is said to offer a 40% power reduction over 20%. Imagine a 300w tdp card, that is suddenly 180W instead, then up shader count to compensate and you have a serious high end card compared to 20nm.

IF these dual card shenanigans are true it more than ever indicates no high end on 20nm, but that they are waiting for 16nm.

16nm is only a year behind 20nm, because it's effectively the same process, it's still a 20nm base metal layer(which is where you really take your process name) and they they are sticking finfet transistors on top of the metal layer rather than normal transistors. These are a little thinner(because they are more vertical than horizontal like Intel's 22nm), so they are calling it 16nm, it kind of is, kind of isn't. Either way because it's the same equipment, same base layer and same 20nm equipment, the idea of them being only a year later(possibly even a little sooner) is not an out there theory.

Spending money on R&D for a high end dual card that wouldn't even launch for another couple months and has LOADS of downsides with minimal volume would be borderline retarded if they were only 2-3 months ahead of replacement 20nm parts.

We may/may not see a midrange part on 20nm, if that is upper midrange (7970/680gtx) or lower midrange (7870...660ti?) who knows. It wouldn't be surprising to see them skip 20nm entirely as there is very little long term benefit. You'd save 10's of millions not playing around with 20nm design/transistors, and putting the R&D, time into 16nm tape outs and there would likely be a huge amount of waste.

There is a reason Nvidia have done an entirely new product, low end maxwell, on 28nm and not 20nm, which I think bodes very poorly for new faster shiney 20nm products in the next year. But 2015 and 16nm could easily bring about the full 80-90% full on generational improvements we haven't been seeing of late.
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Interesting, thanks for the information. I shall have to research this a bit more.
 
The rumour mill is working overtime here.:D

Still no solid info about any of these cards.

If AMD or NVidia produce a dual card based on Hawaii or GK110 it will be so underpowered, underclocked and overpriced as to be next to useless compared to two separate cards.

Having used GTX 690s for a long time, the one thing they have taught me is don't bother with dual cards unless they can compete with two single cards like the 690 can against the ref 680s.
 
Kaapstad said:
The rumour mill is working overtime here.:D

Still no solid info about any of these cards.

If AMD or NVidia produce a dual card based on Hawaii or GK110 it will be so underpowered, underclocked and overpriced as to be next to useless compared to two separate cards.

Having used GTX 690s for a long time, the one thing they have taught me is don't bother with dual cards unless they can compete with two single cards like the 690 can against the ref 680s.
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That is because you are an Ultra-Enthousiast and you don't care about efficiency. ;)
 
Kaapstad said:
The rumour mill is working overtime here.:D

Still no solid info about any of these cards.

If AMD or NVidia produce a dual card based on Hawaii or GK110 it will be so underpowered, underclocked and overpriced as to be next to useless compared to two separate cards.

Having used GTX 690s for a long time, the one thing they have taught me is don't bother with dual cards unless they can compete with two single cards like the 690 can against the ref 680s.
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Ever thought of donating to the 3rd world instead of buying 20 Titans, 690's etc... ? :p
 
Kaapstad said:
The rumour mill is working overtime here.:D

Still no solid info about any of these cards.

If AMD or NVidia produce a dual card based on Hawaii or GK110 it will be so underpowered, underclocked and overpriced as to be next to useless compared to two separate cards.

Having used GTX 690s for a long time, the one thing they have taught me is don't bother with dual cards unless they can compete with two single cards like the 690 can against the ref 680s.
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Indeed, nothing concrete yet. Need solid info on the 790 before it becomes relevant.
 
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