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AMD Zen 6 rumours

Grim5

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I think next gen as a whole is going to be much better for everyone - we're going to get 3nm CPUs and GPUs, which will either bring significant performance gains, significant power savings or a combo of both
 
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Capitano said:
You could say that with pretty much every generation
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No, because Ryzen 9000, AMD RX9070XT and Nvidia RTX5000 all have the same problem that they are on the same process node (5nm) as their predecessor, so no you can't say that about every generation.

The reason 2024 and 2025 have and will continue to be so crap for CPU and GPU launches is because they are stuck on the 5nm process
 
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Capitano said:
Isnt the 9000 series on 4nm?

Also isnt the 40 series on 4nm whilst the 50 series is on the 3nm node?
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Tsmc 4nm isn't real 4nm, it's a refined 5nm and tsmc 6nm is a refined 7nm. The next real jump is 3nm. Tsmc even says it; their 4nm is a refined 5nm with nearly identical transistor density, where as 3nm offers a massive 60% improvement in density.

I used these names interchangeably so it's my bad, but it's worth remembering that these are marketing names, not scientific - "tsmc 4nm" does not actually refer to any physical characteristics of the lithography process, the correct way to identify new process node generations is when there is a big increase in density and that is 3nm
 
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No? TSMC never claimed that 4nm related to the size of the transistors or any other physical aspects, they explain that on their website. Additionally I think false advertising only applies to when you the consumer buys a product, and TSMC didn't sell you anything, you bought from a retail store or directly from Nvidia, AMD and they never make any claims about 4nm being smaller transistors.

People just assume that smaller number means smaller transistors, but TSMC never claimed that
 
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Not sure about the smelling blood bit, Intel is already dead when it comes to sales figures

2nm means it's a while away, TSMC has only just opened orders for 2nm and it's so expensive that even Apple has announced it won't be jumping on 2nm till 2026. Apple used to be known for always moving to the best node as soon as it was available but they are skipping it this year to wait for costs to come down, a company that makes insane margins on its products..

As for 3d cache on each CCX, not happening for gaming chips.

Extra cores plus 10% IPC and 6ghz all core clocks would mean a 10950x is about 60% faster than the 9950x in multithread. I'm glad I skipped 9000 series!

Intel will have its own large gains though, that's why amd is going hard now with extra cores and an advanced node as Intel is also looking a large core count increase for its next gen chips
 
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humbug said:
@Grim5 Double stacked as it one on top of the other, so one CCD will have two 3D stacked cache chip's brining the L3 Cache from currently 96MB to 160MB.

Also, H2 2026 for Zen 6.
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Ah ok that makes more sense

A 10800x3d with 6ghz clocks, 12 big cores on single CCX and double stacked 3d cache, that would be peak for gaming

Though I do expect AMD will be testing the cost-benefit of double stacked cache for consumer parts and if it turns out the double cache doesn't do much more for gaming they may leave it out of consumer desktop parts to cut cost so we'll have to wait and see
 
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AMD announces Zen6 will be built on TSMC 2nm, has taped out and is ready for launch in 2026

Also, they announced Zen5 EPYC chips are now being built at Arizona, same day Nvidia announced TSMC at Arizona is now also building its Blackwell chips

wccftech.com

AMD Confirms Next-Gen EPYC Venice "Zen 6" CPUs Are The First HPC Product Made Using TSMC's 2nm "N2" Process, 5th Gen EPYC Validated At TSMC Arizona

AMD has confirmed that its next-gen EPYC Venice CPUs, based on the Zen 6 architecture, are made on TSMC's bleeding edge 2nm process node, N2.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
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Our company bought 257 Dell XPS laptops this year so far, and they don't even come with a Ryzen CPU option, it's Intel or bust

I don't know what more amd needs to do to get into the OEM market

And I don't like the Intel Ultra CPUs in these things, they somehow feel slower than the older Intel stuff
 
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gaming laptops is a scam, because you can have two models with the exact same hardware but one model runs 50% faster than the other and that's completely unacceptable

To be fair pre built PCs have the same issues to some extent, it just seems to be worse for laptops
 
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Nutty667 said:
"AMD’s anticipated Zen 6 architecture may not arrive until 2027, marking a significant shift from the company’s established release rhythm. Originally targeted for mid-2026, the Ryzen 11000 series could be facing a year-long delay attributed to changes in TSMC’s advanced node production plan."
www.guru3d.com

TSMC N2X Node Slippage Could Impact AMD Zen 6 Timeline

AMD’s anticipated Zen 6 architecture may not arrive until 2027, marking a significant shift from the company’s established release rhythm. Originally targeted for mid-2026, the Ryzen 11000 series could be facing a year-long delay attributed to changes in TSMC’s advanced node production plan.
www.guru3d.com www.guru3d.com

Oh apparently this source is MLID, so take with a pinch of salt.
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Maybe he's just jumping on the bandwagon because it's been expected for a while - both amd and Nvidia GPUs seem to only be 2027 too and it's what I've been predicting on this forum for several months now when I've stated that I believe 2026 will most likely be a dry year for hardware with no major new product releases
 
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michty_me said:
I was, up until around a month ago fully invested in keeping my AM4 5800X3D setup until AM6 arrived.
However, The more I looked into AM6, possible delays plus never really going for a first adopter into a new socket (Prefer to wait until issues are ironed out) it had me thinking.

After seeing a member on here selling a 9700X for a good price, I decided to pull the trigger and jump ship to AM5, At least now I have an upgrade path if I require and likely will get another X3D chip down the line.

The swap from AM4 to AM5 cost me £148 so felt like a no brainer really.
I'm still interested in seeing what AM6 has to offer of course.
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AM6 is a long ways off if it's true that AM6 needs DDR6

www.tweaktown.com

SK hynix HBM roadmap teases HBM5, HBM5E, GDDR7-Next, DDR6, 400-layer 4D NAND in 2029-2031

SK hynix unveils its next-gen technology roadmap: includes HBM5, HBM5E, GDDR7-Next, DDR6, and 400+ layer NAND memory beyond 2029-2031.
www.tweaktown.com www.tweaktown.com

Don't expect AM6 till 2029/2030 because according to this roadmap DDR6 won't be arriving till then
 
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There isn't much improvement from 3nm to 2nm, so might be better than intel but dont expect too much if you already have a 3nm zen

But its worth keeping in mind CPU's arent monolithic anymore, so not the whole CPU is 2nm. AMD can claim its a 2nm CPU but not the while CPU is 2nm. same as Intel can claim a CPU is 18a, but not the whole CPU is
 
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20% would be great

Zen5 was called "Zen5%" for a reason, because it was about 5% faster than Zen4, so 20% sounds great compared to 5%
 
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Capitano said:
www.guru3d.com

AMD Zen 6 Rumored to Match Nova Lake With Up to 288MB Cache

New rumors suggest that AMD is preparing a much more aggressive cache configuration for its upcoming Zen 6 desktop processors, directly targeting Intel’s next-generation Nova Lake platform.
www.guru3d.com www.guru3d.com

Zen 6 rumoured to have big gains in cache to match with Nova lake leaks.

1 CCD = 144MB
2 CCD = 288MB

How much extra advantage this will have for gaming, who knows.
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Minimal most likely
 
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