An idea - remote deactivation

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After being stung with having my car stole, i wanted to make a remote deactivation system. Ideally that locked the car, set off the alarm and then disabled the engine.

Does anyone know the legalities in this kind of device. In particular - can i remotely turn the power of to a car whilst it is being driven (or stolen).
 
Nope, an immobiliser may NOT cut in while the engine is already running.

What's wrong with just normal immobilisers; they seem to be pretty good at preventing theft.
 
Nope, an immobiliser may NOT cut in while the engine is already running.

What's wrong with just normal immobilisers; they seem to be pretty good at preventing theft.
not sure about that, reading jeremy clarksons comments on his Ford GT, when they thought it was being stolen they phoned him and threatened to cut the engine out.
 
In my instance, my keys where stole.

Im not sure how i would deactivate the car, maybe cut power to the fuel pump, or the ignition. Someway that doesnt damage the car, but cuts it out.
 
how about a scoundary kill switch in the car hidden, so if they nick the keys they still wount be ablt to start the car.
 
There's a system called Blackjax that does just this for Clifford alarm systems.

BlackJax5
Anti-Carjacking and Vehicle Self Recovery System
BlackJax is Clifford's unique anti-carjacking response system that puts personal safety first while using innovative advancements to ensure that users can recover the vehicle themselves. If an armed car thief approaches - whether at a stop light or in a parking lot (where most carjackings occur) - immediately turn over the keys and remote and let Clifford technology take over.
Fully automatic: No buttons or transmitters to push when a gun is involved. Just get away from the vehicle. Quick response: BlackJax allows the criminal to drive away a safe distance. Then, a few seconds later, BlackJax blares the siren and flashes the lights to alert other drivers and witnesses. It then pulses down the ignition system to safely force the vehicle to slow to a complete stop. Siren blaring and lights flashing, unable to restart the engine, the carjacker has no choice but to abandon the vehicle.
Immediate vehicle self-recovery: With the vehicle immobilized a short distance away, the owner can recover it. No special tracking units, monthly fees or per-use charges. Just follow the sound of the BlackJax siren, then enter the PIN code. That's it - it's sabotage-proof. The only way to turn off BlackJax is with a secret user-selectable PIN code. If the carjacker tries guessing codes at random, BlackJax actively ignores his code entries for the next few minutes.

http://www.clifford.co.uk/Products/Accessories.aspx
 
None of these add-on systems are as good as a well implemented factory system, despite what they tell you.

The FIAT group system involves the Code ECU recognising a changing code from the key, then sending a changing code the the Engine ECU, without this code, the Engine ECU simply refuses to function. The only way to "hot wire" it is to replace the Code ECU and Engine ECU (which are paired from new) with a set for which you have a valid key.

The best a 3rd party system can do here is something like block the signal between the 2 ECUs, but simply removing it will foil it.



Although Peugoet - at one point - had a cCode ECU which would simply supply 12V to the engine ECU if it is allowed to start, oops.
 
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None of these add-on systems are as good as a well implemented factory system, despite what they tell you.

The FIAT group system involves the Code ECU recognising a changing code from the key, then sending a changing code the the Engine ECU, without this code, the Engine ECU simply refuses to function. The only way to "hot wire" it is to replace the Code ECU and Engine ECU (which are paired from new) with a set for which you have a valid key.

The best a 3rd party system can do here is something like block the signal between the 2 ECUs, but simply removing it will foil it.



Although Peugoet - at one point - had a cCode ECU which would simply supply 12V to the engine ECU if it is allowed to start, oops.


One major problem with that scenario in the OP's case, is that there is no factory fitted system in the world that will prevent teh third party from getting into and driving away the car if they have the correct set of keys.



The Clifford system mentioned by Dup is very good, also TOAD secirity do a fantastic system that allows you to send a text to your car which will immediately immobilise it, and do various other operations.

Autowatch is another system that has a good reputation, it operates every time you start the car, and if you are the correct driver then you will know the override, otherwise even if the thief knows the Autowatch system is fitted but does not know the correct override (which can be changed easily and regularly if needed) the doors will lock/unlock the siren and horn start blaring and the lights start flashing.

However to go back to the OP's question about legality, it is a VERY grey area. Currently, even the most recent Thatcham Category 5 systems, that are specified for high value vehicles, are only permitted to immobilise the starter circuit of a stolen vehicle via a secure operating centre only when authorised to do so by the Police and only then when they are within visual contact.
The legislation regarding such "after-theft" devices that immobilise vehicles automatically after the vehicle has been taken (whether when stationary etc or not) is a nightmare area legally in the UK, due to "Construction and Use" and "Road Traffic" regs and clearly does not meet the Cat 5 criteria or ACPO guidelines.

Additionally any electrical product that is intended for fitment to a motor vehicle must bear an "E" mark showing that it has been tested and approved for electrical compatibility (95/54 EC) for use in an automotive environment.
Most of types of "anti hi-jack" system aren't approved for European fitment (no E mark) as they were never intended for the UK market and were not officially imported (hence usually only marketed on foreign web pages).

So yes these sytems are available and can be used, but you are in a very very grey area as to whether they are legal or not and you may open a real mine field if you should ever actually need to use one and maybe cause an accident by using one.
 
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On a fly-by wire car, I think disabling the throttle would be safe enough, you'll keep the power assists this way. But I would be happier if the victim had some kind of legal backing in this regard.

By stealing a car you should know that you are operating a vehicle which is not roadworthy. Something like that would do.
 
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