Ancient i7 5960x + 2080 WC temperatures

darrecky

darrecky

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Hello world!

This is my 1st post, however I was a regular reader since 2017r.
As my old AIO died after about 6 years I've decided to go custom loop with hope that my old system performance can be increased, previously limited by temps.
According to EKWB configurator sufficient radiators were 1x240 SE + 1x240 PE - setup limited by my current case which is Corsair 350D.
However I've modified it to make rad config futureproof. Now I've got 1x 360 PE at front with 2 fans (3rd one will not fit) + 1x 240 PE at top with 2 fans. Front fans pushing air into the case, top extracting it outside. Fans I'm using at the moment are old 2x Corsair RWF0016 PWM at front, 2x LED Corsair AF120 3pin at top.

Whole system summary:
Rad 1: EK Coolstram 360 PE with 2x Corsair RWF0016 PWM fans - new rad, my old fans
Rad 2: EK Coolstram 240 PE with 2x Corsair AF120 3pin fans - new rad, my old fans
CPU Block: EK Supermacy EVO X99 - bought used
GPU Block: 2080 Vector Block + Backplate - new
Pump: Aquacomputer D5 NEXT - used
Res: EK Res X3 150 - new
EK Hardtubes and fittings 12/10mm

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1680 V3, which is basically i7 5960x (8C/16T). Overclocked to 4.5GHz @1.3V. Power draw is 270W
GPU: Reference design RTX 2080 non OC version. Overclocked to 2050MHz @1.000V + 15400 Memory. Power draw 240W
MOBO: ASUS X99-M WS/SE
RAM: Quad channel 32GB RIMM 3200MHz 15/17/16/36 1T

Now the problem - temperatures:
CPU with normal usage reaches 70°C, while testing in AIDA it reaches high 80°C
GPU pushed to its limit can go up to 60°C. After 15min of 3dmark firestrike ultra stress test coolant temperature reaches 40°C, so that means it is absorbing the heat. System is stable, but at canstant raising temps not for long I guess

Concerns:
According to EKWB config that amount of rads should be sufficient to keep coolant temp ar 31°C, but somehow it is not the case
Are the problem is fan setup? Airflow at front is limited, just 2 fans are used (3rd one wont fit) and solid cover, air should be sucked through small gap on sides/bottom. Also I'm not sure if those fans are good and maybe replacing them solve the problem?
I'm not sure if CPU temp is fine, wherever I look it should be below 70 at stress test which is not the case for me. As a comparsion my old AIO corsair H100 was able to cool CPU to similar temperatures but at 4.4GHz @1.240V. It was throttling at current WC settings straight away.

In future I'm planning to change the case for Lian Li o11 EVO announced recently. But still want to keep current setup as it is capable to my needs.

Thanks for reading, suggestion
and have a good day :)


BTW. Can I attach picture here or it have to be a link?
 
Pictures have to be from outside hosts.

When you did the EK configurator, did you stipulate that you would be overclocking? Adding voltage to CPU in particular massively increases power draw. Normally that Xeon would be only 140W.

Did you tell the configurator what fans you would be using? Are they at full speed?

EK's own performance numbers for their radiators are all based on Vardar fans so you need to do a fan comparison as well.

Overall, cpus are hot little beasts these days with sometimes very poor contact between the die and the IHS. I'm not suggesting delidding but you may simply have poor internal contact inside the chip package.

As for the gpu, 60C is a lot. For comparison I have a 1080ti at around the same wattage running in a loop with a 1070 as well as a cpu and I'd be unhappy if it went over 50C.

But the temps are nothing to be concerned about. If the system is very quiet, try turning up the fans and seeing if that helps.
Is it better with all the case panels removed?
 
Thanks for quick answer.
Yes, in EKWB configurator I've selected quiet overclocking. According to it 2x 240 SE + PE rads should deal with 510W @31°C, I've got 360 PE and 240 PE so that would be considerable more.
Fans are driven by D5 NEXT pump, at coolant temp over 35°C pump and fans are set to max speed.
I think that heat spreader is non removable on those CPU (soldered?)
I need to do more testing now as I've put everything together just 2 days ago. I suspected small case and poor air supply issues there (fans). I'll do some study there as well.
Any fan recommendations? Do not need rgb, just performance.

For CPU and GPU I've used a thermal paste provided with GPU Block, some EKWB branded one.

UPDATE:
After some digging Ive replaced both AF120 fans with ML120 ones, both from corsair. According to manufacturer static pressure is much better on ML series. Now I can feel the air coming from the top of the case, mentioned before 3dmark stress test is passing without problems and water temp is up to 32°, gpu just over 50° and CPU mid 60°. And everything without pump/fan on full speed, which is a huge improvement. However CPU stress test is still mid-top 80°. Looks like I have to live with that.
Did not realised that fans could make so much difference here. Up to now fan was just a fan...
 
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The two immediate things that jump out:

1) The AF120's are poor radiator fans you need fans that have high static pressure rather than airflow to drive air through the rads. I Can't seem to find much info on the other fans but suggests they have reasonable static pressure if being a bit loud.
2) Am I reading right but are you using only 2 120mm fans on a 360mm Rad??? If right that will be half the issue as you've not got air travelling over the full rad surface area. I think you mentioned 3rd fan not fitting but if that's the reason you need a new case to allow you to fit the third fan if you want to get temps down. TBH the temps are higher than you would expect for watercooling but are fine in terms of actual operating temps so depends if you want to get temps down that will be the number 1 fix I suspect.

Edit:

Just seen your subsequent reply where you address point 1.
 
Thanks for tips guys.

I've tweaked and tested the setup a bit more now, been able to get even more performance from RTX (core 2085MHz @1.000v, 2000MHz (total 16000MHz) for memory. GPU temp reaching up to 52°C, Hot spot temp, which seems to be equal to memory temp reaching up to 67°C. CPU temps in normal tasks is acceptable as well. But all that without front panel, with it is completely different story. As SS-89 mentioned lack of 3rd fan on 360 radiator and poor (or close to none) airflow with front panel on is a problem here. I guess that extra Delta fan would fix that permanently, but I'm trying to make the setup silent as well :)
I'm not a fan of huge cases and Christmas tree look, so need to figure it out the best solution - probably new case, as cant squeeze any more from current one.




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Simple system and clearly works (nice pump by the way). However that's a lot of wattage of heat for them 2 rads with only a little more than 2x240mm rads worth of heat dissipation due to the missing 3rd fan (i understand it won't fit) on the 360mm. The front airflow is not ideal due to being restricted by the front panel cover. I would get, if possible, 5 corsair mag lev fans as they work really well in restricted cases. You could also get a new case if budget allows. If a new case is a problem and you don't mind noise, you could increase fan speeds under load to help push a little more air through them rads to better help overall temps :)
 
My options are:
1. new, bit bigger case - if I find one which I like and it will squeeze current radiator setup without any sacrificies
2. new fans, but good 5 ones are probably similar priced to reasonable case
3. PWM fan controller (if my fans are really 2400rpms, need to check that), but I have no idea how to set water temp as a speed trigger. that is why fans are on pump header, not mobo headers as before


Ive got 5 of these fans https://www.custojusto.pt/lisboa/in...corsair-de-alto-desempenho-pwm-120mm-33355883, no idea if they are ML fans as Corsair have no info on their website. All coming from (i guess) my old H100i AIO and non RGB case. They suppose to be 0.3A 2400RPMs, but my aquacomputer pump can drive them only up to 0.11A 1700RPM for some reason. I'm pretty sure that motherboard could spin them faster, as they were louder at full speed. I think that 2 fans at front spinning @2400RPM should be sufficient to keep reasonable water temps with front on. Extra option would be 3rd fan @360 Radiator (I can cut off some plastic reinforcement on case to squeeze it), but I have no idea if that would make any difference, as it would be completely cover up with 2x 5.25 bay covers - no air to draw from.

Before I started I knew that with that case might be some performance issues, just didn't except them. Case now is so heavily modified, that it is not sellable anyway. I've run ekwb configurator again - it is predicted that power draw would be 580W, which is already more than my actual max. My rads are able to dispose 834W there, so a lot more than anticipated. So it is strange, that 1 missing fan on 360 rad is making so much difference. Unless they assume there, that fans would be @ full speed in open or no case - which is misleading.

MikeTimbers that phanteks case is big...
 
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The fans you have are mag lev fans. So they can do 2400rpm but there are loud at anything above 1750rpm set as intake and 2000rpm as exhaust. I should know as i run 5 on the ml pro. I only run them at 1600rpm for 50c gpu temps. They never go above 1450rpm as i have yet to see my gpu temps hit anything above 45c while gaming. You could get a cheaper case alternative like i did. I got a very good lian li o11d knock off and it's the almost the same in everyway due to the case being 5mm shorter in height and only cost £60 and not £110 as the lian li was priced at the time :)
 
Any idea then why aquacomputer pump does not power them up @ full speed though? I've connected them one after another and all were between 1630-1720 RPM and 0.11A at max setting. Making them run faster could give me some time to find a good case deal. All interested ones are out of stock anyway...
 
All the information which I've provided in previous messages are from aqua suite. As I've mentioned after setting fan speed there for 100% power in the software it only spins @~1600RPM and draw 0.11A at 11.9V. I've got a curve setting for pump and fan speeds, they should reach their max at 35°C water temps.
I'll check today how fast they could spin at motherboard header, suspect that would be 2400RPM, as when they were connected to motherboard every PC power on cycle sounds like a launching rocket when fans were @Max for few seconds before bios setting kicked in.
 
sounds very odd. check them at the mobo header like you said and we'll go from there :)

EDIT: forgot to mention have you updated aquasuite to latest version?
 
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you should be able to get max fan rpm. i just connected my ml pro led and can can 2400rpm. maybe your have the 1600rpm models. However, you did say they spin loud at boot suggesting they may well be 2400rpm
 
I've tested the fans on motherboard header and they are actually 1600RPMs so my feeling was wrong. Looks like last 2 digits in their model number RWF0016 are rated speed. Without case front I'm satisfied with system thermal performance, got high 40°C on GPU, low 50°C on CPU while gaming and water temps are 31-32°. With front on everything goes by 7-8°C.
I'll leave it as it is, before summer temps with 1st coolant change I'll get new case as well, probably one of the recent Fractal Meshify ones, then fans - Noctua NF-F12 2000RPM or Corsair SP's. Just hope that after all those changes system would be cool and quiet in the same time.

Thanks all previous advices gents!
 
So it may be. I contact corsair regarding these fans and awaiting a responce, but it seems you have your answer. When corsair reply i will let you know what you no doubt already know ;)
 
In the meantime I've replaced fans on 360 rad for Arctic P120 which supposed to be very good fans, and haven't noticed any difference in performance. Yes, they are quieter at 1600 rpm, but that would be it. So corsair fans were efficient enough, the rads or small case restricting airflow are the problem. All works, but not as anticipated - it should be cool and quiet, not just cool.
Just wondering when cases which I like would show in stock. There are shortages of everything these days :(
I'm after Fractal Meshify 2 or LianLi O11D. However got some doubts about 2nd one performance.
 
forgot to say i got a reply from corsair and yes they are the 1600rpm ones. if your looking for an o11d you could look at o11 knockoffs/copies. i have one from another online store.
 
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