Anjem Choudary Convicted :)

Werewolf · 17 Aug 2016 at 03:11

Caged said:
The BBC have done a decent job of explaining why it took as long as it did to get to this point

How Anjem Choudary's mouth was finally shut
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36979892

It's pretty much what I suspect many people thought, he knew the law well enough to just be on the legal side in what he said and did most of the time (rather like the Westborough Southern Babtists in the states), but the police were waiting for that slip.

Although I wish it hadn't taken so long to deal with him, I'm glad it was done within the existing laws and they didn't simply create a new law specifically for him, or deal with him in a special way - they took the long but sound route of getting him solidly under the law.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's put in semi isolation both to stop him spreading his brand of Islam in the jails, and because I suspect there are a lot of people who would love to have a go at him, and I don't want him to become a martyr in the eyes of his followers.

Werewolf · 17 Aug 2016 at 03:13

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StriderX · 17 Aug 2016 at 03:18

Werewolf said:
It's pretty much what I suspect many people thought, he knew the law well enough to just be on the legal side in what he said and did most of the time (rather like the Westborough Southern Babtists in the states), but the police were waiting for that slip.

Although I wish it hadn't taken so long to deal with him, I'm glad it was done within the existing laws and they didn't simply create a new law specifically for him, or deal with him in a special way - they took the long but sound route of getting him solidly under the law.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's put in semi isolation both to stop him spreading his brand of Islam in the jails, and because I suspect there are a lot of people who would love to have a go at him, and I don't want him to become a martyr in the eyes of his followers.

The length of time taken however does not make the observers any happier though, a government cant possibly juggle a religious extremism and a political one as well if the far-right continue their slow, yet steady surge.

This will is probably going to lead to the style of authoritarianism enjoyed by Russia, China and so on as a play down on at least one enemy.

Regardless, the fact that he's been arrested will likely result in an IS attack of some sort, so no doubt the police are on edge.

Amp34 · 17 Aug 2016 at 04:12

Tefal said:
This may make the problem of islam spreading in our jails worse

The government know there is an issue with recruiting/converting to radical/extremist teachings so I'd hope they are sensible and mitigate that risk as much as possible (such as not allowing him to mix completely with the general prison population.

Yas786 · 17 Aug 2016 at 06:33

Been a long time coming, as a Muslim this pleases me to no end. About time this so called Muslim got his just desserts.

Now we just to eradicate more of these muppets.

Tefal · 17 Aug 2016 at 07:31

Amp34 said:
The government know there is an issue with recruiting/converting to radical/extremist teachings so I'd hope they are sensible and mitigate that risk as much as possible (such as not allowing him to mix completely with the general prison population.

Which would likley be a breach of his human rights (unusual punishment)

b0redj0rd · 17 Aug 2016 at 09:24

^^^ ... and so it begins!

Post BREXIT we'll have our own 'British Bill of Rights' won't we? So we don't have to pander to people who game the 'uman rights system? I hope so anyway.

drs101 · 17 Aug 2016 at 09:33

b0redj0rd said:
^^^ ... and so it begins!

Post BREXIT we'll have our own 'British Bill of Rights' won't we? So we don't have to pander to people who game the 'uman rights system? I hope so anyway.

well you should consider that his human rights are the same as your human rights as far as the law is not concerned but unless they segregate him I dont see how he wont be able to radicalise more people.

Tunney · 17 Aug 2016 at 10:37

b0redj0rd said:
^^^ ... and so it begins!

Post BREXIT we'll have our own 'British Bill of Rights' won't we? So we don't have to pander to people who game the 'uman rights system? I hope so anyway.

I doubt that Tefal is a lawyer. What he's saying is pure speculation.

Removing ourselves from the ECHR is going to be difficult even after we leave the EU. Membership underpins all of the devolution agreements and is an especially important part of the Good Friday Agreement.

Freefaller · 17 Aug 2016 at 10:42

Yas786 said:
Been a long time coming, as a Muslim this pleases me to no end. About time this so called Muslim got his just desserts.

Now we just to eradicate more of these muppets.

Indeed. Glad to see that vile man be convicted for spouting his hate.

The Geezer · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:18

Downside is he will have a captive audience in jail which by all reports is a high recruitment environment

Yas786 · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:25

The Geezer said:
Downside is he will have a captive audience in jail which by all reports is a high recruitment environment

Sadly that's something we will have to deal with. I don't see any other way of keeping this scumbag free, one we can't ship him off to Syria or some other isis stronghold due to his human rights.

Best solution is to keep him in solitary confinement but not sure if that would be legal due to human rights etc etc.

platypus · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:29

insane200 said:
Confined spaces and some easily impressionable people inside with him to convert while he's there.

Good news, but no doubt some extremist nutter will try something now with this news.

Well this is why I stressed "as long as it's done properly" - which to me would be isolation without means to preach and carry on radicalising other prisoners.

Glaucus · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:33

b0redj0rd said:
^^^ ... and so it begins!

Post BREXIT we'll have our own 'British Bill of Rights' won't we? So we don't have to pander to people who game the 'uman rights system? I hope so anyway.

what gives you that impression, we were the main architect of human rights, we arent going to get rid of them, even if we could. which we cant as it is still required for several reasons.
it was not forced on us at all.

more leavers having no knowledge of well anything.
why do you even want to implement barbaric rules, like middle east countries like so many of you despise. perhaps you dislike them as secretly you want to be like them.

b0redj0rd · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:46

Glaucus said:
what gives you that impression, we were the main architect of human rights, we arent going to get rid of them, even if we could. which we cant as it is still required for several reasons.
it was not forced on us at all.

more leavers having no knowledge of well anything.
why do you even want to implement barbaric rules, like middle east countries like so many of you despise. perhaps you dislike them as secretly you want to be like them.

May stated when she was the Home Sec that she wanted the UK to have it's own 'British Bill of Rights' because she was finding it impossible to convict and/or deport people like Choudary, Hamza and the like. Now she is the PM, and BREXIT is on the cards, don't you think it's likely she'll go ahead with this?

I don't think making changes to 'uman rights acts so we are able to deport inciters and hate speakers is suddenly going to plunge the UK in to the realms of the ME when it comes to 'rights'.

The last part of your post was total garbage.

Glaucus · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:49

b0redj0rd said:
May stated when she was the Home Sec that she wanted the UK to have it's own 'British Bill of Rights' because she was finding it impossible to convict and/or deport people like Choudary, Hamza and the like. Now she is the PM, and BREXIT is on the cards, don't you think it's likely she'll go ahead with this?

I don't think making changes to 'uman rights acts so we are able to deport inciters and hate speakers is suddenly going to plunge the UK in to the realms of the ME when it comes to 'rights'.

The last part of your post was total garbage.

so ECHR under a different name, we were instrumental in creating it.. not that we can get rid of echr without closing our doors to decent trade.
you are living in a dream world.

why are you still believing lies when within hours of the vote they went back on every claim they made.

b0redj0rd · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:51

Glaucus said:
so ECHR under a different name, we were instrumental in creating it.. not that we can get rid of echr without closing our doors to decent trade.
you are living in a dream world.

ORLY?

So the trade deal with China the EU is trying desperately get off the ground means they signed up to the ECHR?

deuse · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:54

Glaucus said:
what gives you that impression, we were the main architect of human rights, we arent going to get rid of them, even if we could. which we cant as it is still required for several reasons.
it was not forced on us at all.

more leavers having no knowledge of well anything.
why do you even want to implement barbaric rules, like middle east countries like so many of you despise. perhaps you dislike them as secretly you want to be like them.

"The Proposed British Bill of Rights is a proposal of the Conservative Government, included in their 2015 election manifesto,
to replace the Human Rights Act 1998 with a new piece of primary legislation"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_British_Bill_of_Rights

Glaucus · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:54

haha and the relevance of that is?
what do we offer, where are we in the world, what is our gdp etc. there are a thousand a one considerations, and you thinking we can get something like a poor country on the other side of the world is laughable.

Tunney · 17 Aug 2016 at 11:55

b0redj0rd said:
May stated when she was the Home Sec that she wanted the UK to have it's own 'British Bill of Rights' because she was finding it impossible to convict and/or deport people like Choudary, Hamza and the like. Now she is the PM, and BREXIT is on the cards, don't you think it's likely she'll go ahead with this?

Not a chance. Don't you think it's weird that May has been so quiet on the Human Rights Act lately? She knows that replacing it with a British Bill of Rights is not realistic. It would be a massive undertaking and would be subject to significant resistance from MPs.

And a British Bill of Rights isn't going to help get Choudary deported. He was born in the UK.