Another 4k spec me, Hisense 50" £500 yes or no

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Hisense 50H7GB 50" 4K Ultra HD 2160p 120Hz LED Smart HDTV (4K x 2K)

I'm new to 4k & recon they're now cheap enough to consider, esp this Hisense.
Was thinking around £600, maybe 55".
Does this Hisense look ok or should I not buy a TV make I've never heard of :rolleyes:

The only 4k input i'll have will be Netflix and as this TV has a Netflix app built-in I presume it will be ok.
Been using the Xbone for Netflix and wonder if that will do it? Cant find much on this.

From what ive read on HDR, TV's are not quite there yet and will probably be a better make out of my budget. Apparently the more nitts the better.
 
Settled on the Samsung ue55ju6800
It has a good pqi1400 so less lag for gaming. Netflix 4k. Likely a hdcp 2.2 port. Maybe limited HDR support.
Found online in UK for £800. Curry's out of stock but £900.
 
Currys Longton Samsung ue55ju6800 £899
Currys Telfod Samsung ue55ju6800 £999

After driving to 25miles to Telford because they were out of stock at Longton I'm told they won't price match another Currys because they've left the Boxing day sales price on the shelf & its now the managers discretion at Longton whether or not to sell me at £899.

Anyway, after an understanding chat with the sales rep at Telford I've learned some very good TV buying pointers...

Samsung ue55ju6800 is UHD nano crystal and cant do HDR but sUHD nana crystal can & after seeing them side by side I can believe that.
Plus the ue55ju6800 with just a PQI 1400 or 800hz refresh means when things move around on the screen they blur, as a moving train/map demonstrated.
There is another 55" sUHD Samsung which has a PQI 1800 or 1000hz refresh & that's much better with movement but that's £1350.
Anyway, I could have got the sUHD Samsung & nearly did after driving 25miles in the rain but didn't because the Sony range of TV's use Android & thus can natively run Kodi! Now considering my little pi cant play 4K then getting a TV with built-in Kodi saves £120 on a player with all its wires & remote etc.
I nearly got the Sony 55" £999 as it had 1000hz + Android but the contrast looked a bit flat so I'm going wait until April when theres going to be a load of new model TV's with their new model prices just dropping. Then pick up a Sony with Android that can do HDR.
Still unknown if the Xbox one Netflix can do 4k but a HDMI 2.0 cable would be needed for 4k.
 
Not looked at LG. The rep at curry's was a Sony fanboy cus of the good motion hz and lost a sale by advising me wait until march. Also Android built in a TV is very appealing.
 
The motion hz thing is a load of crap.

They are all mostly 60/120hz panels with some 240hz here and there. The rest is processing which you should disable anyway :)
 
The way I understand refresh rates is a film at 24fps looks smooth when the TV is at 24hz and even better when local processing is applied to smooth out the motion. 24hz is required to avoid any pull down compensation and frame stutter.
This local processing compensates for how crap LCD is and can make the difference between movement blurring or still being able see details as they move around. Thus having seen the wizardry a high local hz TV can do vs a TV that don't have many spells I can testify its well worth it. This maybe why people are having headaches and returning their new cheap 4k TV... There's 2 types of 4k TV!

Gaming on the other hand, you need turn off all this local processing to avoid input lag. A 120hz input is just so those 90fps are all seen without tearing the screen.
 
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The way I understand refresh rates is a film at 24fps looks smooth when the TV is at 24hz and even better when local processing is applied to smooth out the motion. 24hz is required to avoid any pull down compensation and frame stutter.
This local processing compensates for how crap LCD is and can make the difference between movement blurring or still being able see details as they move around. Thus having seen the wizardry a high local hz TV can do vs a TV that don't have many spells I can testify its well worth it. This maybe why people are having headaches and returning their new cheap 4k TV... There's 2 types of 4k TV!

Gaming on the other hand, you need turn off all this local processing to avoid input lag. A 120hz input is just so those 90fps are all seen without tearing the screen.
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I didn't think many tv's actually accepted 120hz I thought they just made up extra frames?
 
I think some panels do 120hz by using lightboost etc.

After a lot of research its now crunch time as ive learned most the Sony range can do HDR.

SONY BRAVIA KD55X8509C £1k

SONY BRAVIA KD55X9305CBU £1.6k
local dimming, 4k 60fps, more gimmicks, 2x 3D glasses worth £150

Cant really afford the better TV so trying figure out if these extra features are worth it and how much it will drop in price when the next range arrives in March, which are basically brighter for better HDR.
 
Phew, got the
SAMSUNG SUHD UE55JS8000 Smart 3D Ultra HD 4k 55" LED TV
Its basically the same as the JS8500 except its not curved as I didn't want any curves (not on a TV anyway).
Picked up from my local Currys.

Day 1...
At first I felt a bit sick watching it as its just so smooth & none blurry, presumably down to the 1900PQI. Guess I must have been used to blurring from an old Sharp Aqua with just 100hz local processing, though that played 24p without judder.

HDR
Tried The Life of Pi HDR demo from a USB key & it looked very nice in dynamic though not as punchy as the monster full array backlight Samsung in the shop. I don't watch movies in dynamic???
I'm presuming HDR was working because the sunlight was bright but could still see detail in the tiger? Actually theres no HDR picture mode & I need research this a bit more.
Also tried Exodus Kings demo & watched an episode of Red Oaks on Amazon which is supposed to be HDR & it did look a bit weird or washed out.
Heres a phone pic.
24kxgtj.jpg


Gaming
My Xbox One wont do over 1080p so ordered a HDMI 2 18GBps cable from Amazon so maybe that will help? I know most games barely do 1080p but it saves the TV upscaling plus have another Netflix option too.
In Game mode the lag was ok. Needs more testing & tinkering with settings.

Apps
Netflix & Amazon Prime work well & in Dolby 5:1 using the TV optical output.

Kodi
My poor Pi2 cant do 4K, never mind play x265 but works ok & even from the TV remote.
Hopefully a Tizen version of Kodi will arrive.

TV
Hooked up a Sky dish & it picked up Astra 19.2 but had to add Astra 28.2 to get all the Freesat channels. Channel editing is easy so as to put BBC1 HD onto ch1 etc.

Still testing & trying figure out HDR.
 
So ignoring all of the other stuff, as per your original question, can you tell the difference with 4k or had it turned out to be an extensive experiment? :)
 
Oh, theres deffo a difference with 4K & shows on Netflix look better but need more 4k available esp films. Just tried play a UHD/HDR vid on Amazon & it gave me an error message of insufficient bandwidth on my solid 37mbits connection (although it was 5pm).
1080p now seems a bit blurred.
Motion is much better than old TV.
HDR is still a bit of a mystery but have noticed when in Movie mode & playing a HDR video the TV atomically increases the contrast to max then reverts back to the previous value after playing, so its picking up the HDR meta data & a good way to test if you're actually watching HDR.
 
So I take it you got the Samsung hd codec box that comes with some films ? It's auto switches to dynamic, which tbh is a setting i'd never use normally .

I've the 40" 6550 model ( euro ) . I picked it up for £408 so won't take much of a loss when I want to sell it later in the year . I find its not to clever with motion . You MUST use sport mode for footy and its a judder-fest . But sport mode cranks it up to more or less dynamic mode. The tv is miles better pq than my 39" panny lcd that was 2 years old , but I've made a tradeoff with the motion blur .

Top film you should try ... Ironclad It's like your in the film .

And I agree , 4k Netflix is just brilliant :) Daredevil especially . Also try an older show on Netflix .. Like Buffy the vampire slayer ... its only in 480p , but the upscale of the show is very impressive imo
 
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I downloaded some HDR videos from a site, the same they play in Currys.
As soon as the TV picks up the HDR meta data it automatically increases the contrast in dynamic or movie mode.
The lack of motion blur did take some getting used to as my previous Sharp was a dinosaur.
I'll have a look for Ironclad then ta.
I got 5 years of something from Currys. How to I claim the 6 months free Netflix?
Yep Netflix 4k is awesome & trying out Amazon Prime now & they have HDR. Test videos to follow...
 
I think Ive discovered HDR. The nearest I can describe it is how Farcry looked on the PC when it first got HDR, when the lights in the tunnels glowed over brightly but you could still make out the shadow detail.

Ok, using a phone to record video comparing 2 screens is a bit lame but its the best I can do & cant show just how bright this 600nitts TV is which in a dark room actually hurts your eyes. Plus the Oneplus two has dodgy Chinese camera drivers which don't help.

HDR test 1
https://youtu.be/tbMJZhPmN9w

HDR vs non HDR comparison
https://youtu.be/yFuggCtCy2w

Proof Amazon Prime does HDR at 1080p
https://youtu.be/jI9XzSQIZm0
 
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Yeah ... but get the disc of ironclad , not a 1080p stream :) Also do a search on youtube for 4k film trailers . Some good ones ... star wars and ff7 espically
 
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