Another bizarre "equality" case

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Dammit I hadn't considered whether rofflay off ocuk had heard of her or whether any of that had anything to do with the wider discussion or whether there could have been any sexism based reason as to why a male presenter might have had more opportunities that lead to him becoming famous in the first place and that enforcing equal pay might redress that balance.

I'm stumped now lol.
Samira's predecessor was male.

Clearly his male privilege wasn't working properly.

He also isn't getting his pay back-dated, despite now being paid 7x less than Samira Ahmed for doing the same job.

Do you care about him?
 
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Samira's predecessor was male.

Clearly his male privilege wasn't working properly.

He also isn't getting his pay back-dated, despite now being paid 7x less than Samira Ahmed for doing the same job.

Do you care about him?

I don't know why you're finding this so hard to grasp.. well, I think I do but fragile masculinity isn't a big concern of mine.

I've said I don't know the voracity of this specific situation, I've also said I don't think it's an especially hot example considering they're all being paid pretty well.

I've also said I believe there is 10000% still a very real issue around unequal pay and sexism in the workplace so I applaud it being challenged. The outcome in every case would live and die on its merits but the more that are lost the quicker we'll move to greater equality.

In answer to your specific question a really yes I do care.

The hand wringing in this thread is enough to make you think the feminazis are coming for your trousers like I've stumbled onto an incel forum :o
 
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He's paid more than his girlfriend for a "similar job", so sexism in the work place is real. Is there anything worse than a male feminist honestly
 
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You seem anxious, has someone been mean to you? :)

Women get paid less than men because they are ***ON AVERAGE*** less assertive, choose less well paid jobs, don't apply for promotions, take time off to have children (which they actually enjoy by the way and want to do), work less hours on average.. the list goes on. No one is discriminating against women in the work place, if anything because of all the hyperbole around sexism, women are now getting promoted over better qualified men. Women under 30 are paid more than men under 30. More women are getting degrees because they changed the exam system so it suits women better (coursework counting towards grades more than examinations). Women are doing great.

Do you know who discriminates against women the most? Other women. I see it all the time at work, women ******* each other over and being toxic to each other at work, I RARELY see men do this ( though it does happen occasionally). Why would men discriminate against women? Men like women funnily enough, we choose to live with them and spend time with them. I'm sure you'd get the odd case where a young married girl might get overlooked for a job because she might get pregnant and be off for a year or more, but realistically you also get hot women who get a job for exactly that reason as well.
 
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Women get paid less than men because they are ***ON AVERAGE*** less assertive, choose less well paid jobs, don't apply for promotions, take time off to have children (which they actually enjoy by the way and want to do), work less hours on average.. the list goes on. No one is discriminating against women in the work place, if anything because of all the hyperbole around sexism, women are now getting promoted over better qualified men. Women under 30 are paid more than men under 30. More women are getting degrees because they changed the exam system so it suits women better (coursework counting towards grades more than examinations). Women are doing great.

Do you know who discriminates against women the most? Other women. I see it all the time at work, women ******* each other over and being toxic to each other at work, I RARELY see men do this ( though it does happen occasionally). Why would men discriminate against women? Men like women funnily enough, we choose to live with them and spend time with them. I'm sure you'd get the odd case where a young married girl might get overlooked for a job because she might get pregnant and be off for a year or more, but realistically you also get hot women who get a job for exactly that reason as well.

Truth^

I posted a similar point, with a video even, and the SJW-types just ignored it and continued on as if it never happened. I'm curious to see how they handle your post....or if they'll even try.

I have never once negotiated my compensation and then been told "We know you agreed to do the job for x salary, but you are a man so we want to give you more money than you negotiated, because you are a man." Nope. If I will take less money for a given job, employers will be happy to pay me less.
 
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Women get paid less than men because they are ***ON AVERAGE*** less assertive, choose less well paid jobs, don't apply for promotions, take time off to have children (which they actually enjoy by the way and want to do), work less hours on average.. the list goes on. No one is discriminating against women in the work place, if anything because of all the hyperbole around sexism, women are now getting promoted over better qualified men. Women under 30 are paid more than men under 30. More women are getting degrees because they changed the exam system so it suits women better (coursework counting towards grades more than examinations). Women are doing great.

Do you know who discriminates against women the most? Other women. I see it all the time at work, women ******* each other over and being toxic to each other at work, I RARELY see men do this (though it does happen occasionally). Why would men discriminate against women? Men like women funnily enough, we choose to live with them and spend time with them. I'm sure you'd get the odd case where a young married girl might get overlooked for a job because she might get pregnant and be off for a year or more, but realistically you also get hot women who get a job for exactly that reason as well.
Any chance you could show how you apply these sweeping generalisations to Samira Ahmed and Jeremy Vine?

I'm guessing that neither HR or Employment Law in the 21st Century are your specialist subjects?
 
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Well I feel I can contribute from the 'other side' of this argument - I'm always curious why we don't hear about the drive to get women to equal representation in jobs like bin collection, firefighters, farming, bricklayers, lorry drivers, oil riggers etc...

It's just funny that there's much focus on getting women into CEO positions, high paid journalism etc rather than the often low paid, high risk jobs that result in men 10x more likely to be killed at work!

Ah well, just give me the big salary... ;)
 
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Well I feel I can contribute from the 'other side' of this argument - I'm always curious why we don't hear about the drive to get women to equal representation in jobs like bin collection, firefighters, farming, bricklayers, lorry drivers, oil riggers etc...

It's just funny that there's much focus on getting women into CEO positions, high paid journalism etc rather than the often low paid, high risk jobs that result in men 10x more likely to be killed at work!

Ah well, just give me the big salary... ;)

Yeah I bet women are under represented doing manual labour outside in the middle of winter but we'll never hear @matt100 talk about that

Any chance you could show how you apply these sweeping generalisations to Samira Ahmed and Jeremy Vine?

I'm guessing that neither HR or Employment Law in the 21st Century are your specialist subjects?

When talking about millions of people you do need to speak in general terms. I wasn't applying my "sweeping generalisations" to any specific case
 
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Yeah I bet women are under represented doing manual labour outside in the middle of winter

Fantastic study run by several major US universities on this actually - massive study run on Uber data (6m drivers) - what's brilliant about it is that Uber is naturally completely automated in terms of driver management so no chance of bias, the ominous patriarchy etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...2018/09/23/gender-paygap-uber-case-study/amp/

Found exactly the same gender pay gap as most industries and as you describe it is correct, women just opt to not pick up people in unsociable hours, rough neighbourhoods etc - they are more risk averse....
 
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Well what's pay got to do with equality?

Ie unless we want to recycle some failed Marxist policy, we acknowledge that some jobs are more dangerous, more challenging, more risky, more stressful and more demanding......and therefore they get paid more.

And if some people are going to take more stressful jobs, then quite fine they get paid more. Just like I'm quite content to have more time, know my family etc instead.

Study I mentioned above:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...2018/09/23/gender-paygap-uber-case-study/amp/
 
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