another school kid arrested

NokkonWud · 13 Oct 2006 at 10:59

dirtydog said:
I don't blame the foreign-speaking children, I blame the government for putting them in English-speaking schools.

The best solution would be for them not to be in this country in the first place.

Second to that, the only solution is special lessons for them where they can learn English without the other pupils' schooling being disrupted.

I agree, we were warned that if we allowed so many in that the floodgates would open and they have, however, many of the people let in this country do the jobs we don't want to and they are also a boost for the economy (of course, what we see back from it is another matter).

However, we did survive perfectly well as a country before allowing foreigners in, so you could look at that and say 'it was a mistake', but at the same rate you can't blame them for wanting a better way of life, it's when they start complaining about it that _really_ bothers me.

Of course, I expect someone to jump on me for saying "They" and "Them" now :rolleyes:

Jacob334 · 13 Oct 2006 at 10:59

dirtydog said:
I don't blame the foreign-speaking children, I blame the government for putting them in English-speaking schools.

The best solution would be for them not to be in this country in the first place.

Second to that, the only solution is special lessons for them where they can learn English without the other pupils' schooling being disrupted.

But we want them all the be part of the community and they wouldnt ever be if you send all the foreign kids to seperate schools.

They should be able to speak atleast some basic english because then you atleast have something to work with, other than not knowing any and not trying to learn..

Btw whats her being a chav got to do with anything? Even if she is the head of the bmp why does that make any difference? shes in her lesson and wants to learn? shes sitting on a table of people who dont speak english, she asks to be with someone she understands and shes called racist. I would be interested to know if the teacher was black because it says the kids were asian so why didnt she get accussed of saying something about blacks?

NokkonWud · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:02

dirtydog said:
Some people seem to think that even asking to be put in a group with fellow English speakers is racist.

True, but my comment was in regards to her calling them "Blacks". The problem lies with whether that is, or isn't racist.

dirtydog · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:03

NokkonWud said:
I agree, we were warned that if we allowed so many in that the floodgates would open and they have, however, many of the people let in this country do the jobs we don't want to and they are also a boost for the economy (of course, what we see back from it is another matter).

However, we did survive perfectly well as a country before allowing foreigners in, so you could look at that and say 'it was a mistake', but at the same rate you can't blame them for wanting a better way of life, it's when they start complaining about it that _really_ bothers me.

Of course, I expect someone to jump on me for saying "They" and "Them" now

I don't blame the immigrants for coming, I blame the government for letting them come. As for the 'we need them to do jobs we won't do' - cobblers in my opinion, which you seem to acknowledge by pointing out the fact that we managed just fine before mass immigration. All it does is benefit business, and the taxpayer picks up the bill for increased strain on public services and infrastructure, not to mention the increased demand on housing, water and energy which pushes prices higher for all of us.

dirtydog · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:04

Jacob334 said:
But we want them all the be part of the community and they wouldnt ever be if you send all the foreign kids to seperate schools.

I said separate lessons, not schools

Perhaps after one or two years they could join mainstream lessons within the school once they had learned English.

dirtydog · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:04

NokkonWud said:
True, but my comment was in regards to her calling them "Blacks". The problem lies with whether that is, or isn't racist.

"Blacks" is not a racist term and I was confused that there is any confusion about it, in the article.

alexakasloth · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:07

NokkonWud said:
The 'official' report about her claims she WAS racist, thats why it happened. She has denied being racist.

She didn't want to work with them because of a language barrier means that she is a racist? Ha!

NokkonWud · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:09

$loth said:
She didn't want to work with them because of a language barrier means that she is a racist? Ha!

That wasn't the racial term, they said she was racist for using the term "Blacks", however that for me in the debate, is 'Blacks' racist?

dirtydog · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:11

NokkonWud said:
That wasn't the racial term, they said she was racist for using the term "Blacks", however that for me in the debate, is 'Blacks' racist?

How else would you describe black people in the plural?

alexakasloth · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:12

NokkonWud said:
That wasn't the racial term, they said she was racist for using the term "Blacks", however that for me in the debate, is 'Blacks' racist?

The term 'blacks' in PC.

Efour · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:16

You know i can actually relate to this language problem.

My sister is a secondary school teacher in east london and the kids in her class (Home economics) Cannot speak or write english.

We had a brilliant laugh a month ago while she was marking some exam papers.

It is truley disturbing that these poor kids cannot even write the most basic scentences.

One poor sod had to lable some silly things like scissors a sowing machine etc.

She had written for scissors, "Its dos the Kuts."
I really was really ROFLing.

They do need to address this regardless of the kids back grounds, English needs to be their priority...

My sis was really upset, how was she ment to mark this rubbish given that she cant understand it. out of 30 papers one girl got a decent grade the rest all <20% purely 'cos of their communication skills.

In fairness how are you ment to learn English if your community will not intigrate or cannot because of our predjudice.

Efour · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:16

dirtydog said:
How else would you describe black people in the plural?

must.... hold....backkkk

You serious ?? the plural of black people is... PEOPLE ?

hence the "racist bit" using the B word.

in an ideal perfect PC world

NokkonWud · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:17

dirtydog said:
How else would you describe black people in the plural?

I'm not saying it is, but that seems to be the point of the article. She's been called a racist for saying 'Blacks' like you said, it's plural.

dirtydog · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:18

Efour2 said:
must.... hold....backkkk

Don't hold back on my account...

Efour · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:19

i just ninja edited.......

What part of essex are u in dirtydog?

dirtydog · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:20

NokkonWud said:
I'm not saying it is, but that seems to be the point of the article. She's been called a racist for saying 'Blacks' like you said, it's plural.

Ah sorry I thought you weren't sure if it was racist or not. I expect the girl said something like, I don't want to sit with the blacks because they don't speak English. Now while her manner of asking and even her motive might have been less than perfect, nonetheless she still was making a reasonable request and if anyone should be in trouble here it is the teacher for making such a mountain out of a molehill.

dirtydog · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:23

Efour2 said:
i just ninja edited.......

What part of essex are u in dirtydog?

Why, do you want to come round for tea and scones?

Blacks is in the dictionary...

USAGE NOTE The Oxford English Dictionary contains evidence of the use of black with reference to African peoples as early as 1400, and certainly the word has been in wide use in racial and ethnic contexts ever since. However, it was not until the late 1960s that black (or Black) gained its present status as a self-chosen ethnonym with strong connotations of racial pride, replacing the then-current Negro among Blacks and non-Blacks alike with remarkable speed.

http://www.answers.com/blacks&r=67

and

Black people

Black, also referred to as Negro or Colored (which is generally considered offensive) (noun, black or blacks; adjective, black people), is a color-defined term used as a form of ethno-racial classification.

http://www.answers.com/topic/black-people

Efour · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:27

dirtydog said:
Why, do you want to come round for tea and scones?

hmm sounds nice, Im in Romford thats all. No hostility

Click to expand...

wordy · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:27

shifty_uk said:
Don't know about anyone else, but she looks chavvy to me.

If thats the case then she deffinatley can't be racist. We all know the ultimate fashion accessory for a teenage chav girl is a black baby

Efour · 13 Oct 2006 at 11:28

wordy said:
If thats the case then she deffinatley can't be racist. We all know the ultimate fashion accessory for a teenage chav girl is a black baby

Its funny 'cos its true