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If so and you have experience with accounts; profit/loss and balance sheet.

It concerns tax:

- Tax paid on your profit (after costs, etc), does that profit get carried on to next year and so taxable again? As far as I know it will be under cash next year, right?

If so, doesnt that mean your money is just going down and down by the year? What methods are there to go around this?

Thanks in advance :P
 
zain said:
If so and you have experience with accounts; profit/loss and balance sheet.

It concerns tax:

- Tax paid on your profit (after costs, etc), does that profit get carried on to next year and so taxable again? As far as I know it will be under cash next year, right?

If so, doesnt that mean your money is just going down and down by the year? What methods are there to go around this?

Thanks in advance :P
No, it doesn't.

At a simple level, you have a financial year (maybe June 1st to May 31st), and you pay tax on the profit for that year, in a given tax year. At the start of the year, you have zero profit. In the next tax year, you'd be paying tax on profit made in the following financial year.

Bear in mind that the P&L shows the profit for the period, while the balance sheet shows the overall state of the company at a given point in time. The profit at the end of the year (less tax) goes onto the balance sheet. You'd then make the decision about how much of the profit to distribute to shareholders as dividends, and how much to retain for ongoing operations, expansion, investment, etc.

There is, however, an element of crossover between P&L and capital (balance sheet) items. For instance, if you buy a car, the cash going out (or loan) is a liability and goes on the balance sheet. The car itself is an asset and also goes on the balance sheet. Neither are profit/loss items. But the car depreciates, and that depreciation is a charge on profits, so gets deducted from profit before tax is calculated. There are a number of complications like this, but the simple answer to your question is no, you don't pay tax on profits more than once.

If, however, you invested profits in an asset that appreciated (say, property), then you could be liable for tax (capital gains tax) on the gain made on the property when you dispose of it, despite having bought the asset with profit that was taxed.

But you certainly only pay income tax (corporation tax for companies) on profit made, once.
 
Sequoia said:
....you don't pay tax on profits more than once....


not strictly true, the opening year profits sometimes do overlap depending on the company's tax year. But you do get it back when you close the company with the closing tax year rule. Except until that happens, you have already paid tax twice for a period that overlapped.
 
Raymond Lin said:
not strictly true, the opening year profits sometimes do overlap depending on the company's tax year. But you do get it back when you close the company with the closing tax year rule. Except until that happens, you have already paid tax twice for a period that overlapped.
Indeed, but I did say "at a simple level ...."

There are, as you point out, transitional arrangements on commencing and closing, and there are some other overlaps, but the thrust of zain's question was about general principle and the general principle is that you don't. There's a limit to how much detailed accounting to go into (or that I'm qualified to go into, seeing as I don't practise as an accountant and haven't for a very long time) in a reply to a general query. I even fudged the accounting year/tax year thing, because it confuses most people, and that, of course (and the PY basis) is why those transitional arrangements exist..
 
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