Any CNC operatives or managers of CNC production here?

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I had between 2 to 3 years experience of CNC operating, setting and programming using Heidenhain on milling machines. Bridgeport to be precise.

This was from 2003 to 2005 and since then have not been able to get a job in CNC. Note that between 2005 and 10 I wasn't working on CNC so from 2010 is when I started trying to get back in. My initial training was triggered by my applying to the engineering department at the place I was working at the time. I wanted to work for that department doing anything they tasked me and just after I applied the CNC guy left so they seconded me and trained me. I started just operating, and then setting and my programming started by making tweaks to existing programmes from which I learned completely how to programme on my two 3 axis machines. After a year they brought in a certified Bridgeport trainer to teach me over 2 weeks while my mentor was on holiday. However it was only a foundation course and I learned nothing new but did get certificated. I left when my job was on uncertain terms as more and more work was being outsourced as I was the only CNC operative who was already running two machines. Rather then re-task me in Engineering I was being told I would have to go back to Assembly.

There are 2 issues I have of which I know. By 2010 it was 5 years of rusty knowledge so I cannot guarantee how good I can be to an employer, I would need some retraining without a doubt and might even have to start at the bottom which I would be fine with. By now it's 11 years outside of the trade.

The other issue is that all the programming I did was directly into the machine but I did write some of them to paper as well to make a little portfolio for myself. The main problem here is I have no CAD experience.

I would still like to go back into CNC, it's apparently still a high in demand job. Me being smart alec says it's because all these companies looking for CNC personnel won't train them.

Every interview I've had since 2010 for CNC work has been through agencies and I wonder if this is a big contributing factor alongside my inactivity as to why I didn't land a CNC role. My thinking is that is that if a company has gone to an agency then they need someone ASAP and whom can hit the ground running. That clearly isn't me, I'm honest about that and when I've been to interviews I've been honest about it, it's no good for me, the agency or company when I turn up day one and cannot perform what's required.

So I see three options.

Give up on CNC.

Re-train at my own expense. And the follow up to this is advice for where to train.

And lastly, I apply for companies which I don't think are advertising. My thinking here is they aren't in a rush(yet) to employ new staff so maybe it's a good opportunity for them to nurture a budding talent such as mine.

It's something that's been on my mind again for the last week so I decided to seek advice and so far this forum has been valuable. Maybe it can't help for CNC but I welcome advice from anyone.

Thank you to those who read this far.
 
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Where are you based?

I'm a CNC machinist of 10 years but my company is a little backwards and as it happens I'm going on a CAM software (think you meant CAM not CAD) training course next week. Up till now we have a few guys that do all our 3D programs for us and we program directly into the control like you did.

I've thought about moving on from my current company but from what I can tell everyone uses CAM software now so you will be at a disadvantage not knowing this. On the other hand we have had a couple of guys in the last year join my company who can only use software and struggled and not been taken on after their probation period.

As for career prospects, short term it does feel like there are more jobs than people atm so it's not a terrible time to be a machinist but long term, metal 3D printing is coming on leap and bounds and will force lots of places to close imo.

Think your best bet would be to go into a company as an operator only, As this means they should only be looking for a button pusher. Explain your situation and imo they would be stupid not to take advantage of the other knowledge you have whilst supporting you to get up to speed with all the other parts of programming.

This effectively makes you cheap labour for them for a year or so but that's A price you have to pay to get the additional programming knowledge at which time you should be able to ask for a decent raise or move on.
 
Where are you based?

Portsmouth

I'm a CNC machinist of 10 years but my company is a little backwards and as it happens I'm going on a CAM software (think you meant CAM not CAD) training course next week. Up till now we have a few guys that do all our 3D programs for us and we program directly into the control like you did.

Ahh CAM, yeah I remember him calling it CADCAM

I've thought about moving on from my current company but from what I can tell everyone uses CAM software now so you will be at a disadvantage not knowing this. On the other hand we have had a couple of guys in the last year join my company who can only use software and struggled and not been taken on after their probation period.

At my current place the guy who runs everything to do with our Trumpf(sheet metal puncher) only does so by his software Radan. When it comes to the raw code he has no idea. For all the years he's been doing it automatically he had no idea on doing things manually until I started working there and I have been able to apply my manual ways of CNC to get him out of some jams. For example he had never thought about starting a program from somewhere that wasn't the start, so if anything erroneous happened during punching the whole sheet would be scrapped, so I said just restart from the tool that went wrong. I don't know how he programs his tool operations or even how CNC punch programs flow, he was able to solve the problem though. Another issue is a program that was so dense the Trumpf would run out of memory mid production and stop. Previously that sheet would be scrap but since I started working there I gave him the knowledge of sub-routines which for him means spread the production over 2 programmes, so 2 production cycles which won't eat the RAM and crash.

He actually asked me 2 months after I started there, knowing of my CNC milling experience, if I wanted to be trained by him on his CNC punch. I said yes but our supervisor didn't allow it. I don't know why, never asked, but at a guess it's because I was on 3 month rolling contracts. I'm permanent now though. Since asking me 2 people have been trained, 1 of them has since left and HIS replacement barely touches it for being busy with his normal duties. Honestly with how bad he gets treated and for the little money on offer against the workload involved it's really not a fanciable position. It will be a huge loss the day he leaves, and he is looking and turned down 2 jobs already.

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Think your best bet would be to go into a company as an operator only, As this means they should only be looking for a button pusher. Explain your situation and imo they would be stupid not to take advantage of the other knowledge you have whilst supporting you to get up to speed with all the other parts of programming.

This effectively makes you cheap labour for them for a year or so but that's A price you have to pay to get the additional programming knowledge at which time you should be able to ask for a decent raise or move on.

I agree 100%. I started as an Operator and am happy to restart as an Operator on a reduced wage, even minimum wage. And with my existing knowledge, as wobbly as it may be I seem like an amazing bargain, but alas one that was never picked up. But like I explained I'm going up against many applicants in an in demand industry as an out of industry worker by now 11 years.
 
I somewhat stumbled into CNC work several years ago too, but after applying myself and a couple of fortunate breaks I'm now a CAM programmer for a first tier automotive engineering company.
 
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