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any idea when OC will get GPU cards in

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i miss the days of pre covid when i was able to buy a RX580 on OC, and now i still have a half built pc for one of my sons which i cant complete as i cant afford any gpus, i just wish when i bought Rx580 from oc i had bought 2 or 3 :(

just hope it all goes back to normal one day or i may have to try save for a laptop instead even though i have loved upgrading our comps since 1999
 
Miners are the problem, according to NVidia Ampere has sold better than any other generation before it which is unbelievable considering the prices.
 
They have plenty of cards in stock there just all at inflated prices. If you want to know if they will have more RX580's you better off asking in the customer service forum, I'll tag @Gibbo to see if he has any specific detail as I thought these were EOL but AMD could have just as easily restarted production due to the insane demand.

Your best bet for a brand new GPU that will be sold close to it's MRSP will be the as yet unreleased AMD Radeon 6600 (non XT) which is due out soon. You will need to follow the news closely to find out when the release date is. If the card is good enough buy one on the day of release don't dither otherwise within a week prices will just creep up as they have with every other SKU from AMD and Nvidia.
 
Apparently a lot of the cards are sold directly to the miners under the condition of no/very limited warranty, easy money for AMD/Nvidia/retailers.
 
mmj_uk said:
Miners are the problem, according to NVidia Ampere has sold better than any other generation before it which is unbelievable considering the prices.
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Miners don't want LHR cards so how are miners the problem?

The problem is a chip shortage. They can't make enough of them. Simple as that.

Miners don't want old cards either yet old cards are also expensive.

Supply and demand has brought the price up of all cards.

You cannot just blame miners for everything. Take a look at cards like 3080ti and 3060ti LHR and 3070ti LHR. All of them are selling well. They are too much of a hassle for miners to use because profitability is better on non LHR cards like 3080 and 3070.

Plenty of cards available at ocuk just at high prices due to shortage.

Miners aren't forcing ocuk to sell £450 cards at £600+ that they don't want for mining. Supply and demand from gamers is.

Nobody is paying £600+ to use a 3060ti for mining on.
 
Some wonderfully twisted logic as always from one of the "not me guv" crypto crowd, denying any and all responsibility as usual. Funny how every time you look at the post history of someone desperately trying to convince you mining had nothing to do with the current situation, it's full of crypto talk. It's all them evil retailers and millions of PC gamers who suddenly appeared overnight! Oh, and the chip shortage apparently, despite Nvidia selling more Ampere GPUs than any other previous series in history and posting record revenues every quarter. You have to wonder what they're selling if there are no GPUs being made. Of course, Nvidia's CMP cards are also there hoovering up production capacity and accounted for $266m in revenue this year per their last financial report. I'm sure mining has nothing to with that either in your warped mind. I enjoyed the part about old cards being expensive too, as if that isn't a direct result of people not being able to get hold of the new ones.

You can tell yourself whatever you like to help yourself sleep at night, but crypto objectively caused the current situation surrounding graphics cards. It would not exist without the mining boom. Don't bother typing a load of cope to try and convince me otherwise, as I won't be reading it. :)
 
Aretak said:
You can tell yourself whatever you like to help yourself sleep at night, but crypto objectively caused the current situation surrounding graphics cards.
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This is right, aside from a few special deals that some retailers like OCUK do GPU prices are highly correlated to the current mining return on them and priced at around 12-16 months return on investment. I say this as a miner.
 
Q1 2018 - AMD & Nvidia shipped 18 million graphics cards
Q1 2021 - AMD & Nvidia shipped 12 million graphics cards

That's a 33% reduction in production. We don't know how many of those were sold to minors but it would have been a lot because LHR wasn't released until Q2.
 
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CuriousTomCat said:
Q1 2018 - AMD & Nvidia shipped 18 million graphics cards
Q1 2021 - AMD & Nvidia shipped 12 million graphics cards

That's a 33% reduction in production. We don't know how many of those were sold to minors but it would have been a lot because LHR wasn't released until Q2.
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I don't think facts or logic are going to convince any of the "it's all the miners" crowd.

Mining is obviously a very big factor as we can see the graph of the ETH's global hashrate and work out how many cards the increased would require.

We can also take the Steam survey data and work out how many cards are in gamer's hand, or more accurately people who run Steam.

Now some of the people in group two could be gamers who mine part time (possibly to get back some of them money on a card they overpaid for).

Anyway, my take is that demand from both miners and gamers has been crazy. And while if crypto wasn't booming there would be more cards for gamers, I still think prices would have gone crazy.

Crazy as opposed to totally crazy which is what we've seen this year.

What is impossible to know is how much of the excess price is due to mining greed and how much is due to gamer's willing to pay excess because they-are-worth-it.

But let's imagine:
If demand had been only miners, prices would have risen 20%
If demand had been only gamers, prices would have risen 20%.
If demand had been from both, prices would have risen by?

I would suspect it would be a lot more than 40% and I think that is what has actually happened.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Miners don't want LHR cards so how are miners the problem?

The problem is a chip shortage. They can't make enough of them. Simple as that.

Miners don't want old cards either yet old cards are also expensive.

Supply and demand has brought the price up of all cards.

You cannot just blame miners for everything. Take a look at cards like 3080ti and 3060ti LHR and 3070ti LHR. All of them are selling well. They are too much of a hassle for miners to use because profitability is better on non LHR cards like 3080 and 3070.

Plenty of cards available at ocuk just at high prices due to shortage.

Miners aren't forcing ocuk to sell £450 cards at £600+ that they don't want for mining. Supply and demand from gamers is.

Nobody is paying £600+ to use a 3060ti for mining on.
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LHR is 70% cracked for joe public and probably fully cracked for the large mining corporations who can throw big money at the problem.

A few months ago a mate of mine sold his 3080, the guy pulled up in a Porsche wearing an Armani suit with a gold Rolex and paid £1600 cash and told him if he gets anymore he take as many of the them as he gets, that's what gamers are up against.
 
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Joxeon said:
LHR is 70% cracked for joe public and probably fully cracked for the large mining corporations who can throw big money at the problem.

A few months ago a mate of mine sold his 3080, the guy pulled up in a Porsche wearing an Armani suit with a gold Rolex and paid £1600 cash and told him if he gets anymore he take as many of the them as he gets, that's what gamers are up against.
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Large mining corporations don't have master hackers on their books.

Every developer that is any good has their own mining software they charge everyone a fee. They get 1-2% of everyone's crypto. That's a lot better than getting an extra 30% on a single farm.

So no it isn't cracked at all. So he bought a non LHR card? Which proves my point. Ocuk have cards in stock why doesn't he buy from there? So do their competitors.
 
Joxeon said:
A few months ago a mate of mine sold his 3080, the guy pulled up in a Porsche wearing an Armani suit with a gold Rolex and paid £1600 cash and told him if he gets anymore he take as many of the them as he gets, that's what gamers are up against.
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Pity your friend didn't get a photo. Would have been a red rag to all gamers struggling to find GPUs!

Still cannot see how the RoI works out for these miners. WhatToMine.com currently lists a 3080 as $5 after electricity (I put in 20c which should be about correct for the UK). So go get a return on over $2100 at $5 per day is 420 days. I presume they also expect to sell the card when done and of course some times since then might have been even more profitable. And the 420 days is a constant profit per day. Now crypto prices could go up or down but if they are only speculating on the price, they could just by ETH directly. While prices are not predictable, what is pretty reliable is that rewards in ETH should go down.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Large mining corporations don't have master hackers on their books.

Every developer that is any good has their own mining software they charge everyone a fee. They get 1-2% of everyone's crypto. That's a lot better than getting an extra 30% on a single farm.

So no it isn't cracked at all. So he bought a non LHR card? Which proves my point. Ocuk have cards in stock why doesn't he buy from there? So do their competitors.
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For all we know the AIBs are still making non LHR cards specifically for mining corporations while shipping a few LHR versions to retailers to keep supply below demand, there's not many cards arriving at retailers yet profits are up massively and nvidias VP Matt Wuebbling said ampere was Nvidias fastest selling architecture so whose been buying them?
 
KompuKare said:
I don't think facts or logic are going to convince any of the "it's all the miners" crowd.
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Its a complete waste of time.

Some of the timeframe stories this year to reference:

LHR cards released in May to stop miners buying GPU's.
Back in June there was supposed to be a flood of cards after crypto crashed. Never happened. (crypto crashed for two months)
We had end of May a Bitcoin ban in China where shortly after the network difficulty dropped by almost half. Operations moved overseas and built back up again in a number of weeks.
Just over a week ago China banned all crypto trading, and mining pools have been terminating to predominantly Chinese users.

Still waiting for the flood of GPU's to hit everywhere..
 
Th0nt said:
LHR cards released in May to stop miners buying GPU's.
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So if miners are not buying the cards then where are they going because OCUK are not getting many in?

Also the ETH differculty has increased by 1000TH in the last 30 days alone.
 
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