Any Nikon Experts here?

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I am a Canon man, but I have just looked at a review of a D200 and it looked like a nice piece of kit.

When I say I am a Canon man I mean I have been using Canons for the last few years and I recently invested quite a bit into thier gear for my business.

I have absolutely no knowledge of Nikons products - lenses etc so can somebody please clear this up for me...basically I've heard/seen that Nikon gear is generally more expensive than the equivilent canon setup so can anybody give me the nikon eqiv models to my canon lenses so I can look up prices etc:

EF 70-200 F2.8 L IS (image stabalizer - does nikon have such a thing?)
EF 24-70 F2.8 L
EFS 10-22 mm f/3.5-4.5 USM
EF 85 F1.8 prime

reading something that MrK mentioned about the quality of Nikon glass I think its wise to investigate the d200 before I jump for the 30D.
I've also read a snippet that the d200 is great for flash photography compared to the canon system..does anyone know any more about this?

thanks
 
cheers MrK..nice info there. Like I say Nikon is very foreign to me.

Looking at the 20D/30D and the d200 on paper I'm struggling to see where the d200 beats the canons. From the reviews I have seen (dpreview etc) its clear to note that the Canon is far superior at ISO 400/800 and above (I use ISO1600 a lot on my 20D) and image sharpness is much better on the canon (using equiv lenses). The nikon picked up when sharpening was applied but thats not a true comparison.

I'm sure the build is better on the nikon (I tired the d70 once and I did like it) but I just love the Canon system. Its accessable and they just seem to have such a control of the market which is great for prices, support etc. I can use my 20d with my eyes closed and everything seems to be logical.

Am I missing something?
 
jhmaeng said:
Be realistic - the only thing the 20D has over the D200 is high ISO performance (and a lower price tag, but mainly due to it being older). I'm sure even Canon shooters agree.
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ok but what has the d200 got over the 20d/30d? I just cant see what all of the fuss is about after looking into it...
 
jhmaeng said:
Just off the top of my head (Disclaimer: I haven't used one in person)

1. Pro-quality body with excellent ergonomics - providing you have reasonable sized hands, I'm confident you will fall in love with the D200 as soon as you hold it (extrapolating from my D70) Also, more controls are brought out into individual buttons or wheels (or press+turn), rather than having to go manu levels into a menu.
2. Fast focus module that works well during the dark (cross-type sensor works to f/5.6, not just f/2.8 in the case of 20D)
3. Viewfinder miles better (The D200 viewfinder is reputed to be on par with the D2X and the 5D)
4. 5fps vs. 3fps
5. Meters with non-CPU lenses (such as old manual focus lenses or the new Carl Zeiss primes)
6. Much more intuitive menu system with intelligent features such as "Last Used Settings" which brings up recently changed settings - it's a small thing, but shows the degree of consideration
7. In-built iTTL control which allows you to control external flash units independently, without a unit sitting on top of the camera itself

etc. Image quality comparisons can be found easily online, and a lot of them seem to say a slight resolution advantage and a film-like grain noise on high-ISO pictures.
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I'm not pro anyone here so dont get me wrong but in defence of the canon 20d/30d:

1. canon also has mag alloy body

2. surely in low light conditions you would be close to wide open anyway? if not i'd be using the af-assist beam on my 580ex

3. having never held the d200 i cant say how it looks but on paper it is identical to the 20d/30d

4. 30d has 5fps

5. i only use compatable lenses..

6. menus sound handy but not really a key factor in taking good shots.

7. ittl sounds cool but I use my 580ex and 420ex as wireless master & slave and its easy to turn one unit off via the flash control. I cant imagine a scenario where you wouldnt want any flash (even a small amount) coming from close to the camera body.

I think the key factor is image quality and usablility. From what I have seen I am yet to see a scenario where the d200 can outperform the 20d/30d for low image noise and the canon is sharper across the board (without using any jpeg sharpness compensation)

I do like the idea of not having white lenses though which stand out like a sore thumb though, and I do like the feel and motion of the nikon shutter system.
 
I think overall its hard to see any real life differences. sure the d200 has a few features but the canons lead the way on image quality - which I think is the main factor everyone is after.
Most amount of simultainious shots i've ever needed is 5 (confetti shot) and the 30d now takes 11 raw shots in a row, I use a card reader on my laptop (dont think i've ever plugged my 20d up to my pc! and the 30d has an improved battery display.

why would i need gps on my camera? sorry I cant see the point!
 
mrk said:
Thing you must understand here is the more pro you go in DSLR body terms the softer the image comes out straight from the camera, the 20D uses image sharpening just *** same as the 30D and the lower models whilst the d200 uses less sharpening to keep image quality consistant of the d2x and Canon do the same with their 1d series cameras. Profssionals using pro bodies will allways be processing their images in RAW editing and they allways prefer to add sharpening at the final stage to retain the most quality possible. This is why some shots appear to be softer than normal usually.
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I always shoot in raw and that is what I am comparing. Like for like in raw shots on the 20d/30d is sharper and has less noise than the d200 and d2x. surely this is the main deciding factor?
 
mrk said:
This is your thread and you are asking us for our opinion yet you are contradicting the points being given!
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sorry if its come out that way. Basically at the start of the day (when I made my original thread) I knew absolutely nothing about Nokon whatsoever. after many hours reading reviews, opinions on other forums, looking at samples etc etc I have basically come to the conclusion that the pro-am lineups from both canon are basiacall neck and neck.

Like you say where one fails the other excels etc etc. In my work I need something that I can use blindfolded, gives me a good lens lineup with focal lengths that work for me and I can use at high iso's without worrying about doubleing my workload in photoshop.

For me the 30d will give me everything I need....or at least it should do if its as good if not better (which it had better be!) than the 20d
 
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