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Any point to Intel X-Series CPUs?

Gavin786

Gavin786

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Gavin786 said:
Sorry guys for my nooby questions.

Intel X-series CPUs are supposted to be their top tier offering for consumer right?

Now why then according to : https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-9900X-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9900KS/m639130vsm929964

Are the K series which are cheaper and supposed to be inferior beating the X series?

Is there any point to the X series at all ?

Do these series letters even mean anything ?

Thanks for all/any who take the time to answer.

Gavin786
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Intel got KO'd by the sudden apperance of Ryzen, everything pretty much over 6 cores is a knee jerk reaction, hence their HEDT which has been mainly 6-8 cores for past 10 years competing with say a mainstream ryzen 1700.

Ryzen is essentially by far the Best ALL round choice for performance, the Ryzen 16 core competes with intels HEDT 18 cores+
 
Please don't ever use userbenchmark to compare things. It's awful.

The HEDT X series are higher core count, but normally lower clocked than the K series. It's a tradeoff on what you need between the two. If you are going to go for Intel then and you only game, the K series at the minute. If you do a lot of work on top of gaming that might take more cores then an X series chip might be better suited.

Essentially though, unless you are going pure gaming in which case a 9900k will be the best current option in many games (particularly @ 1080p with a 2080ti...), then you should look at a Ryzen 3600, 3700X, 3900X or 3950X for standard desktop usage or one of the 3rd gen Threadrippers for HEDT.
 
I know AMD are currently slightly better multi-core performance than Intel at the moment.

For me reliability is an important concern, and my experience with AMD in the past is that there has always been the odd compatibility issues, and in the case of their graphics card, bad driver support, games not working, etc, etc.

And that is something that as time gets on, frankly, I just cant be bothered with.

I am happy to take a hit in price or performance to get something that is a bit more rock-solid without compatibility issues.

That is why I am looking at Intel and am loathe to consider AMD, even though they might be slightly better right now.

So I would kind of still like an answer to my questions regarding the X-series CPUs, what is the point of them, should I really consider them over just the KS ?

I would like to maybe try a hackintosh(lol and I was complaining about compatibility issues), so I think I need one K or KS with integrated GPU. And anyone who knows about this topic, advice would also be greatly appreciated.

I probably will wait later in year till buying, as I dont want to buy before the next gen Nvidia graphics cards come out, but am itchy to buy as soon as I can.
 
Also I dont really get the difference between the 10 and the 9 series. They are priced pretty much identically. Are they basically just the same thing with different numbers as a marketing gimmick ?
 
The X series CPUs aren't really intended for the same market, the mainstream platform (socket 1151) is for desktops and gamers, but the HEDT platform (socket 2066) is for workstations and high-end computing. Like you'll find motherboards that support X series CPUs traditionally have more RAM capacity, RAM slots, PCI-E slots, PCI-E lanes and storage capacity. This stuff can be important for workstations, but for the average desktop PC, not really.

Historically speaking, the higher-end platform doesn't keep the lead for long, because the mainstream catches up, so the difference in core count and performance of mainstream socket 1151 (or AM4 for AMD) is not great compared to the higher-end.

I'm not sure what the difference is between 9 and 10 X series CPUs.
 
For multicore use I'd say AMD are a lot better than slightly ahead of Intel. When it comes to upgrade potential they are miles ahead.

Look at your particular workload and check some benchmarks out. I think you'll be very surprised.
 
Have you not seen how many vulnerabilities coming out of Intel's CPUs?
Gavin786 said:
For me reliability is an important concern, and my experience with AMD in the past is that there has always been the odd compatibility issues, and in the case of their graphics card, bad driver support, games not working, etc, etc.
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Gavin786 said:
I know AMD are currently slightly better multi-core performance than Intel at the moment.
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Just "slightly" ? AMD multi core performance absolutely pummels Intel into the ground at the moment.....................Intel are nowhere near in the same league.

Gavin786 said:
For me reliability is an important concern, and my experience with AMD in the past is that there has always been the odd compatibility issues, and in the case of their graphics card, bad driver support, games not working, etc, etc.
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There are no compatibility issues at all, if it runs on Intel it runs on AMD, the days of bad driver support are long gone as well as far as i can tell.
 
kitfit1 said:
Just "slightly" ? AMD multi core performance absolutely pummels Intel into the ground at the moment.....................Intel are nowhere near in the same league.



There are no compatibility issues at all, if it runs on Intel it runs on AMD, the days of bad driver support are long gone as well as far as i can tell.
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I know right.

looks at intel best hedt cinebench r20, score 9000

looks at amd best hedt cinebench r20, score 25000

yeah amd is only a bit better
 
Gavin786 said:
@Tetras thanks, that is really helpful, I didnt know the X series needed a different chipset than the Z390.

Looks like its really not worth it.
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AMD CPU's are superior to Intels....overall - few, if any, compatibility issues on CPU side of things. More and more developers are heading to AMD side now as well. Future is AMD unless INTEL can pull something out of their butt. Intels architecture is just a refresh of existing architecture from years ago. There's only so much you can tweak something on 14nm before you have to go to the next size, Intel aren't going to that next size for while yet.


AMD GPU - nice cards and dominate the price points that most use 1080p and the average Joe Bloggs buyer wants. Ultra high end is still Nvidia for performance. AMD drivers for GPUs are a bit sketchy but it is being worked on. AMD research budget is about 1/5 of Nvidias that's why it takes a while for drivers to be sorted. Eventually they do mature and have better legs than Nvidias drivers.

By all means go Nvidia for GPU, but to go Intel for CPU is just daft. AMD decimate INTEL now. Even INTELs speed advantage, to get the best performance, is now being overcome by AMDs efficiency and 7nm process and that'll be INTEL in the doldrums for a while when that happens. Speed is great yes, but when you have an aging 14nm architecture that relies on that speed to get that performance, then it's only a matter of time before 7nm or 5nm overcomes that performance advantage, maybe not at a raw speed level, but better overall performance from the node shrink.
 
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You would have to put a gun to my head to purchase an Intel chip right now, they have nothing even remotely compelling.
There ancient security hole hot running rubbish is not very impressive.
 
Gavin786 said:
Sorry guys for my nooby questions.

Intel X-series CPUs are supposted to be their top tier offering for consumer right?

Now why then according to : https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-9900X-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9900KS/m639130vsm929964

Are the K series which are cheaper and supposed to be inferior beating the X series?

Is there any point to the X series at all ?

Do these series letters even mean anything ?

Thanks for all/any who take the time to answer.

Gavin786
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At the question "Any point to Intel X-Series CPUs?" the answer is NO.
 
AMD Threadripper ( forget the 128 core epyc and 256 epyc inc ) destroy intel XEON HEDT - EPYC is the ultimate HEDT for AMD

also intel are SO FAR behind in this area not even close
 
Gavin786 said:
Any point to Intel CPUs?
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There, I've amended your question for you.

Right now, the only use case for Intel is a bazillion FPS for twitch shooters when paired with a 2080 Ti. If that's for you, then 9900K all the way, and get that clock up to 5GHz or more.

For literally everything else AMD is the way to go. Hell, and not even just the Ryzen 3000 series, the 2000 series Ryzens are perfectly capable CPUs for all but the extreme use cases.
 
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