Any1 know a good LCD with good tru motion?

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Hi guys, can anyone suggest a good lcd/LED TV with smooth, judder/ghost free motion? 100hz, 5000hz whatever. No plasma please!

>Will be a PC monitor about 80% of the time (+10% for PC gaming)...
>Will use about 10% as a blu ray display...

Budget is around £600... is this asking too much? Dont care about 3D or smart, no preferred brand/style, new or old.

My mrs wants me to buy her a rubbish £240 no competitor talk!42" (instead i suggested a £300 LG42CS460), but then thought of this as an opportunity to get rid of my LG which ghosts with tru motion on... Shes blind and does not notice the ghost!
I have to have it on though, my eyes are very sensitive to judder/slow response.

Thanks for all replies in advance!
*was unsure which topic to put this in as used mainly as a monitor - so please move me if im wrong mr.moderator! have posted elsewhere!*
 
have you used interpolation based screens before and are you comfortable with the image appearance they give? Have you thought about getting a PC monitor instead if it's largely for PC uses? maybe one with true 120 Hz/144Hz support?
 
no never used one. i prefer the pc on the big screen, being sat further away. and is the only way i can use my hi fi properly with all of my music and games! what is this "true" 120hz support? is that like the equivalent of lgs 800mhz motion? so much rubbish, the same lg tv online is rated as 100hz 400hz and 800hz, its ridiculous and impossible to go by specs with tvs, i wish they were more like pc parts lol
 
the reason i asked is that all this extra Hz sounds great on paper, but in practice it's not always that great. some people dont even like it at all. all the TV is doing is interpolating extra "guessed" frames and inserting them between the actual source frames to try and improve motion smoothness. in practice this can make the image look quite unrealistic in a lot of cases and gives you a "soap opera effect" on content. have a read about motion interpolation technologies here:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/advanced.htm

desktop monitors are different as some can support a TRUE 120Hz or 144Hz input frequency, so if you connect a PC you can send a 120Hz refresh rate signal for vastly improved frame rates, smoothness etc. so it's a very different method for improving frame rates. that link talks about 120Hz true support as well :)
 
Baddass already replied, but here's some extra:

Here's a useful post with links to different manufacturers' information charts:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/17750856-post79.html

The follower links are directing to a Bulgarian forum, so you'll have to use google translate or something, if you want to get more sense of it. Also, the links go straight to 2012 figures, but a little above is 2013.

For example, in summary (2013):

LG:
MCI = Motion Clarity Index
MCI 1000 => TruMotion 400Hz => 100Ηz (real) => +4 generated intermediate frames + 200Hz scanning backlight
MCI 800 => TruMotion 200Hz => 100Ηz (real) => +3 generated intermediate frames + 100Hz scanning backlight
MCI 400 => TruMotion 100Hz => 100Hz (pseudo) => +1 generated intermediate frame + 100Hz scanning backlight
MCI 200 => TruMotion 100Hz => 50Hz (real) => +1 generated intermediate frame

Philips:
PMR = Perfect Motion Rate
700Hz PMR = 100Hz panel + 3 generated frames + scanning backlight
500Hz PMR = 100Hz panel + 2 generated frames
300Hz PMR = 50Hz panel + 1 generated frame + 3 sector scanning backlight
200Hz PMR = 50Hz panel + 3 generated frames (??)

Though there are some inconsistencies in the charts and the formulas above. And here's where it gets even trickier: the source also quotes 200Hz panels. OK, 100Hz is something I could accept. But are there really any "true" 200Hz panels yet? Television tech can't be THAT far ahead...

Also, even the "true" 100Hz HDTV panels most likely won't accept INPUT signals above 50/60Hz, like 120Hz computer monitors do. Or more accurately, the controller boards on the HDTVs don't accept higher Hz input signals, because all the material is in 50/60Hz. At the moment apparently only computers can feed higher frequencies, so there's no practical reason to implement it for TVs. And that's what "true 120Hz support" means: 120Hz input AND output.
 
Baddass said:
the reason i asked is that all this extra Hz sounds great on paper, but in practice it's not always that great. some people dont even like it at all. all the TV is doing is interpolating extra "guessed" frames and inserting them between the actual source frames to try and improve motion smoothness. in practice this can make the image look quite unrealistic in a lot of cases and gives you a "soap opera effect" on content. have a read about motion interpolation technologies here:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/advanced.htm

desktop monitors are different as some can support a TRUE 120Hz or 144Hz input frequency, so if you connect a PC you can send a 120Hz refresh rate signal for vastly improved frame rates, smoothness etc. so it's a very different method for improving frame rates. that link talks about 120Hz true support as well :)
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wow thanks for the info guys, i will read now. honestly thank you, over 4 forrums youve been the 1st to help rather than making digs lol

ooooh yeah i know what you mean by interpolation now. yeah i LOVE the way it looks, as i said in post, i actually PREFER watching a blu ray and putting up with major ghosting rather than watching a juddery standard tv image with tru motion turned off... my eyes must be sensitive!

I just want a set where tru motion or whatever ACTUALLY works, or gives a smooth motion over blu ray WITHOUT ghost/blur like my current lg. which as weve said on paper you cant judge much by their crappy figures!
although i'm ASSUMING *please correct if im wrong* an lg tv (for example) listed as 800mci will work better than one rated at 200mci (which i think my current tv is).

maybe i should go to a store and look at some side by side, perhaps thats the only way i can judge? my guess is its all rubbish, a 100hz tv might look PERFECT for me if the QUALITY of their motion engine is ok.
 
wow I never realised this smooth motion or soap opera effect was an "issue" for most people... i think its great and am willing to pay big bucks for solely IT on blu ray... learn something new everyday!
 
I'd certainly recommend going into a shop to compare them if you can. The higher Hz models have additional interpolation measures and black frame insertion techniques but performance can vary from one to another
 
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