Anyone *actually* loopholed themselves out of a speeding ticket?

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I've heard a lot of people claiming they have got off of speeding tickets using the various loopholes from sites like pepipoo etc. Has anyone here ACTUALLY done this?

Reason being I have received my second NIP in 6 months and this will take me to 6 points.
I know that I'm at fault for speeding, and I would in no way dispute this, but I'm fed up of having to bend over and take it like this.
I've got my PACE statement ready to return with my blank NIP form, but before I do this I'm looking for any kind of reassurance from anyone who may already have done this!

If nobody has any dorect experience of doing this, I am willing to be the OcUK test victim!
 
Yes, i have definately got off one. And am only about 2 weeks away from the expiry date of a second. Both issued by sommerset.

Standard PACE+recorded delivery+ignore everything method for both of them.

I know that at least one other person on here has done the same with success too.
 
Good Luck with that one! PACE statement. What a waste of time.

I hate to break it to you, but unless you are prepared to fight hard, those points will be winging their way to your license failry quickly my man.

The only thing going for you atm, is the whole "signing it is an admission of guilt" which in itself is illegal without fair representation, currently going to Human Rights IIRC.

Best thing to do is higher a good solicitor and wing it using the same old lame excuses about needing your car to travel 2 miles each way every day, and if you couldnt drive, you'd loose your job and die

Also, in future, keep to the speed limit. It saves a whole load of grief!
 
Excellent!

So send the PACE statement back recorded delivery, then ignore any attempts to get the original NIP form filled in and returned? Is that right?

The only way I believe that they can enforce the admissibility of the NIP is to have an officer caution you before the form is filled out.
Then it comes down to whether the force in question has the resources to do this.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Good Luck with that one! PACE statement. What a waste of time.

I hate to break it to you, but unless you are prepared to fight hard, those points will be winging their way to your license failry quickly my man.

The only thing going for you atm, is the whole "signing it is an admission of guilt" which in itself is illegal without fair representation, currently going to Human Rights IIRC.

Best thing to do is higher a good solicitor and wing it using the same old lame excuses about needing your car to travel 2 miles each way every day, and if you couldnt drive, you'd loose your job and die

Also, in future, keep to the speed limit. It saves a whole load of grief!
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Much as I appreciate your participation in this thread, I've asked for comments from people who have direct experience of this issue. It may be that you have, but your post doesn't make this clear. It sounds more like a cooment from someone who doesn't reckon it would work, so advises against it.
And yes I know that if I didn't speed I would need to ask this question, but this is not the thread for that discussion.
 
emailiscrap said:
Excellent!

So send the PACE statement back recorded delivery, then ignore any attempts to get the original NIP form filled in and returned? Is that right?
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Indeed, make sure you get proof that they definately received it by printing the signature off of the royal mail website after its delivered. Once you have this ignore everything and let it time out. It expires 6 months and 28 days from offence.

I can assure you that this has definately worked for me on (almost) 2 occasions now. The first ticket expired a few weeks ago, and the second is expiring very soon and i havent heard from them in months. Both tickets followed an identical pattern of contact and bluffing from their side.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I was under the impression you had to send the NIP back signed, but with PACE attached.
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Absolutely not, do not sign the NIP or fill in any of its details. Simply scrawl "please see attached" over it at most, then staple the PACE to it.
 
This is promising.
I'll give it a go. What might make it even easier for me is that I will be moving in a few weeks to another county. This will mean that there would have to be inter-constabulary co-ordination which I think is unlikely!

For the anti speeding brigade that are desperate to crucify me, I am actually selling my bike as I don't seem to have the ability to control my speed when on it... :(
 
Looking at pepipoo for some time now, I am yet to see a PACE route that has actually failed. Some have gone as far as court but the speeding charges are always dropped in favour of an attempt at a prosecution for S172, and then that fails too as soon as the proof of delivery of a PACE statement is shown.

It seems pretty foolproof touch wood.
 
great, I feel a lot happier about going down this route now!
Thanks for the advice.
 
Jez said:
Looking at pepipoo for some time now, I am yet to see a PACE route that has actually failed. Some have gone as far as court but the speeding charges are always dropped in favour of an attempt at a prosecution for S172, and then that fails too as soon as the proof of delivery of a PACE statement is shown.

It seems pretty foolproof touch wood.
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Just trying to work out from that site. If you pull the 'cant remember who was driving route' and then Paragraph 4 of the RTA is your 'defence' if you like. You dont send the NIP back, but should you still PACE it?

What do you think?
 
You cant go wrong AFAIK with sending a PACE rather than a completed NIP, but to be honest i know little about the "cant remember" thing. I wouldnt be very confident of avoiding S172 charges as the registered keeper going that way. The standard PACE and ignore seems the best bet and seems to have worked for me.

Of course all this only applies with GATSO's where there is no possible photo of the driver.
 
Jez said:
You cant go wrong AFAIK with sending a PACE rather than a completed NIP, but to be honest i know little about the "cant remember" thing. I wouldnt be very confident of avoiding S172 charges as the registered keeper going that way. The standard PACE and ignore seems the best bet and seems to have worked for me.

Of course all this only applies with GATSO's where there is no possible photo of the driver.
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Yeah, looking at that site, it seems a few people have 'got off' with that route, as in, cant remember then dilligently trying to remember, sending a standard letter, which my err friend has done, then waiting.

http://www.forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=841 in particular. Fingers crossed!
 
emailiscrap said:
Reason being I have received my second NIP in 6 months and this will take me to 6 points.
I know that I'm at fault for speeding, and I would in no way dispute this, but I'm fed up of having to bend over and take it like this.
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Have you considered some additional driver training? If you're getting caught that often then you probably need it as it's very easy to avoid getting caught.

As for the pace thing just send it and ignore any communication from them and hope they don't take you to court within 6 months and you're clear.

There's not a chance of the human rights defence winning as it will invalidate all the previous tickets and result in compensation payouts of millions.
 
Gribs said:
Have you considered some additional driver training? If you're getting caught that often then you probably need it as it's very easy to avoid getting caught.
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Depends on the milage you do. I drive well over 1000 miles per week without fail. It stands to reason that i am going to get caught speeding from time to time as i am not always concentrating on the road all the time. Both of my tickets have been a result of me playing with the stereo/on the phone/eating/other things and have seen GATSO's out of the corner of my eye at the last moment. Very hard to avoid unless you literally do nothing but drive and keep 100% concentration on the road all of the time, rather hard when you spend 6-8 hours per day on the road at the least.

Totally my fault, but saying its easy to avoid isnt really true, it depends on how much you are on the road.
 
Gribs said:
Have you considered some additional driver training? If you're getting caught that often then you probably need it as it's very easy to avoid getting caught.
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I've actually done the IAM course and test on the bike and do consider myself a good and observant rider. Both times I have been caught have been in the same location, at roughly the same time in the morning within 200 yards of my home..
Since getting the first ticket I have been very careful about my speed particularly at that spot, but this doesn't seem to have helped.
I cannot afford for these apparent momentary lapses in concentration to risk my licence. I very much rely on my car, as does my family. The bike can go and as I've not been done for speeding in the car it would seem that I'm less at risk in it - despite it hardly being a slow car.
 
Gribs said:
Have you considered some additional driver training? If you're getting caught that often then you probably need it as it's very easy to avoid getting caught.
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Pretty much the first thing they teach you on any decent advanced driving course is that the number on the sign by the side of the road has nothing do with safety....

Safe speed is determined by prevailaing conditions, traffic levels, expected danger areas and observational distance, none of which have any bearing on the sign.

So quite how more instruction on how to be a safer driver is going to help with speeding tickets I'm not sure.

There's not a chance of the human rights defence winning as it will invalidate all the previous tickets and result in compensation payouts of millions.
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If the case was taking place in the UK courts, you might have a point, but it isn't. It's taking place in a court with no vested interest.
 
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