Anyone have experience with Renda G6-CS with the Intel i9-KS?

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I'm interested in purchasing an OcUK Pre-Built System and would welcome any advice from those with more experience than me. My days of gaming are alas over and the old machine is no longer keeping up. The most power intensive tasks I now use the PC for are Photo Editing - mainly with Lightroom with large numbers of RAW files shot on a Pro Canon Body over the last decade or so.

The Renda G6-CS with the Intel i9-KS has caught my attention and below is a configuration I'm toying with - anything changes / modifications I'd welcome views?

Many thanks,

JD
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Honestly I'd check out some of the gaming options because from what I can see there is nothing in the spec that is 'workstation' and it might actually work out cheaper to buy one that isn't being targetted at businesses.... although you might lose out on the non rgb case (I'll admit that is a positive lol) and internal blu ray reader (I run an external blu ray writer via usb3 and it works fine) which you might not even need.
 
The 12900KS doesn't look like a very good choice for Lightroom anymore, according to puget *, even the 13600K performs on a par and it is much cheaper.

Do you have much of an I/O bottleneck with your work? If you don't, then 980 Pro may be unnecessary, though with the price cuts to this SSD lately it probably isn't so expensive anymore. I assume you need the HDDs for storage with old projects?

In the benches I saw for Lightroom, the graphics card doesn't seem to have much benefit, even just an IGP was enough, but I don't know if that has changed since and what it's actually like to work with. If the IGP is enough then you'd save a bundle.

What kind of slow downs do you experience at the moment? What part(s) of your workflow are you waiting around for?

* https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...iew-2369/#Photography_Adobe_Lightroom_Classic
 
@Isg1r and @ Tetras - thanks for comments and well taken.

To the point on nothing in the Spec that really differentiates this vs a Gaming PC I take your point - but I'm with you on the non-RGB case!! Maybe I just build this myself bespoke but I have to admit I'm out of practice and out of date - last completely "new" build was approx. 10 years ago but fingers crossed nothing's changed that much.

To storage yes this is because I have many terabytes of old files that I keep in cloud and on a physical hard drive (and NAS).

To question on I/O bottleneck kind of "everything" - my current PC is nearly 10 years old (good in its day Extreme 980X processor) so is justifiably now tapping out but has served me well. The memory / SDD / HDD etc are all maxed out for what the board will do. Literally every file takes too long to load up and then every filter / file manipulation takes a few seconds which is too long - I need faster. Batch file processing takes many seconds or close to minutes.

If you have a gaming PC recommendation spec that I can play with would be appreciated - I used to play Eve a lot (i.e. too much) but was too addictive but you never know ...
 
To question on I/O bottleneck kind of "everything" - my current PC is nearly 10 years old (good in its day Extreme 980X processor) so is justifiably now tapping out but has served me well. The memory / SDD / HDD etc are all maxed out for what the board will do. Literally every file takes too long to load up and then every filter / file manipulation takes a few seconds which is too long - I need faster. Batch file processing takes many seconds or close to minutes.

Ahh, I see. In that case, loading a file might be an I/O bottleneck if it's coming straight off the SSD. I don't honestly know if there's a big practical difference in Lightroom between a high-end drive like the 980 Pro and a cheap PCI-E 3.0 drive like the SN570, but their theoretical read speeds are vastly different. The easy option to check is to look at task manager while you're loading and see if it is bottlenecking. I assume you're only using a SATA SSD right now?

Applying filters and manipulating files I would assume are bottlenecking primarily on single core/thread performance and a 13600K (or up) are a huge leap forward over a stock 980X. Not sure about batch file processing, if that has the capability to use more cores or not, but either way it should be a big improvement, providing the wait time is CPU and not RAM, or SSD (but in any case, I think you're upgrading those too).
 
@Isg1r and @ Tetras - thanks for comments and well taken.

To the point on nothing in the Spec that really differentiates this vs a Gaming PC I take your point - but I'm with you on the non-RGB case!! Maybe I just build this myself bespoke but I have to admit I'm out of practice and out of date - last completely "new" build was approx. 10 years ago but fingers crossed nothing's changed that much.
Nothing has changed to the point where you wouldn't understand the manual lol... yes I know reading the manual is blasphemy :p

To storage yes this is because I have many terabytes of old files that I keep in cloud and on a physical hard drive (and NAS).
Honestly, I'd keep old files you don't need to access reguarly purely external to the main system (different field but this is what I do)... you could convert your old (current) system into a storage hub/nas/server with some redundancy (truenas/unraid) or use a larger nas. If it was me (links to below) I'd be looking at larger external storage then going fully ssd in the main rig...in fact this is what I do, I have 2x 2tb nvme (1 is scratch), and then 6x 1tb sata ssd's (2 in mirrored storage space for docs) split up for different 'tasks', you don't need to do exactly the same. I'm also currently looking at putting unraid (for fun and to replace my synology nas...) on my old i7 4790k rig if I can get some decent prices on hard drives.

To question on I/O bottleneck kind of "everything" - my current PC is nearly 10 years old (good in its day Extreme 980X processor) so is justifiably now tapping out but has served me well. The memory / SDD / HDD etc are all maxed out for what the board will do. Literally every file takes too long to load up and then every filter / file manipulation takes a few seconds which is too long - I need faster. Batch file processing takes many seconds or close to minutes.
I saw a considerable 'baseline' improvement switching from 4790k to 5950x with 3d rendering and video encoding (ignoring the extra cores) so you'd likely see the same with your upgrade. I agree with Tetras that you don't necessarily need to go to the highest tier, you're often paying more for a couple of hundred mhz which you'll barely notice.

There's also the possibility that a nvidia gpu with cuda could speed some of this up (my lightroom knowledge is rusty but it seems like it does).

@Tetras Personally I'd say IOPS/random reads might be more important than pure throughput with ssd's and lightroom, lots of 'little' files to load rather than one massive one, especially with batch processing, so I doubt there would be much difference between gen3 and gen4, it might even be a struggle to tell the difference with sata ssd.
 
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Thanks so much for comments and advice received so far. Reflecting a little more on this I think building myself would probably be worthwhile - and more fun - and an opportunity to get up to date on latest kit / technologies. I want some fast / future proof and scalable (as much as one can predict what form that will come in) and have come up with the following below.

Questions for the hive:

1) Any "just wrong" with any of what I've put together?
2) On Motherboard I really welcome input - I likely won't be overclocking but really want something with as many M.2 ports as possible and is scalable in terms of numbers of drives.
3) On memory I was aiming 32GB of DDR5 but welcome advice - I'm really out of date
4) I have a Corsair Modular RM750x PSU I think I can reuse in this new rig but if not pls let me know.
5) I also have an R9 390 series graphics card I was going to use for now until I need something better - again let me know if that's a no go ...
6) On CPU cooling I only have experience using these Monoblock kits which worked well (until they didn't) but if there is something better that I can't mess up easily I'm all ears
7) On case I picked something with no flashing lights to scare the dog ... just after something that looks sensible and will fit but again welcome ideas.

Thanks in advance!

JD


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Questions for the hive:

1) Any "just wrong" with any of what I've put together?
2) On Motherboard I really welcome input - I likely won't be overclocking but really want something with as many M.2 ports as possible and is scalable in terms of numbers of drives.
3) On memory I was aiming 32GB of DDR5 but welcome advice - I'm really out of date
4) I have a Corsair Modular RM750x PSU I think I can reuse in this new rig but if not pls let me know.
5) I also have an R9 390 series graphics card I was going to use for now until I need something better - again let me know if that's a no go ...
6) On CPU cooling I only have experience using these Monoblock kits which worked well (until they didn't) but if there is something better that I can't mess up easily I'm all ears
7) On case I picked something with no flashing lights to scare the dog ... just after something that looks sensible and will fit but again welcome ideas.


2. Does the Hero really give you that much advantage in terms of drives? Spending nearly £700 on the board just seems insane to me and if it's the Hyper M.2 card you want, you can buy M.2 expansion cards separately and they only use the same lanes that other boards with the same chipset have. You can get four m.2 slots even on an entry level Z690 board. I might be mistaken and the Hero has switches that the other boards don't have, but looking at all the restrictions on M.2 / Hyper M.2 card use, it doesn't seem that way.

3. From the benchmarks that I've seen, even 5200 performs fine, so you can comfortably pay just £200 for a decent 32GB kit.

4. For non-gaming use, I can't see you needing a new PSU (on wattage).

5. Should be fine if the old card is alright with UEFI. You could always try it without it first, onboard should be fine for what you described and the idle power consumption will likely be much lower.

From the benches that I saw, the 13600K is a hugely impressive performer for workstation tasks and Adobe programs tend to be rather reliant on single-core/thread performance (at least, in the benchmarks), but if you're sure the CPU is a bottleneck, you spend a lot of waiting around and you'll be making good use of the cores, then I guess it is worthwhile having the 16 E-cores.
 
Thanks so much for comments and advice received so far. Reflecting a little more on this I think building myself would probably be worthwhile - and more fun - and an opportunity to get up to date on latest kit / technologies. I want some fast / future proof and scalable (as much as one can predict what form that will come in) and have come up with the following below.

Questions for the hive:

1) Any "just wrong" with any of what I've put together?
2) On Motherboard I really welcome input - I likely won't be overclocking but really want something with as many M.2 ports as possible and is scalable in terms of numbers of drives.
3) On memory I was aiming 32GB of DDR5 but welcome advice - I'm really out of date
4) I have a Corsair Modular RM750x PSU I think I can reuse in this new rig but if not pls let me know.
5) I also have an R9 390 series graphics card I was going to use for now until I need something better - again let me know if that's a no go ...
6) On CPU cooling I only have experience using these Monoblock kits which worked well (until they didn't) but if there is something better that I can't mess up easily I'm all ears
7) On case I picked something with no flashing lights to scare the dog ... just after something that looks sensible and will fit but again welcome ideas.
1 - Your case doesn't have any windows so it's kind of pointless going for the Asus ROG Ryujin II 360 AIO, you could save some money and go for a non rgb and non oled option (you ideally need a window to see them) such as an ek basic for example (I'm actually running this plus 3xnoctua nf12x25pwm on my 5950x, the original fans are loud) at less than half the price. If you do want the rgb etc you need to change you case option... do you actually need something as big as the Phanteks if you're not running lots of hard drives?
I'd also maybe have a second small nvme drive for a scratch drive.
You'll also need case fans - I'd recommend, noctua, bequiet or phanteks 'quiet' fans.

Just something to consider (not sure on your budgets etc) - you're going to be paying a premium for that 13900k because it's the top of the line product, it might be worth considering dropping down one tier to the 13700k which is like £180 cheaper and you only really lose 8 efficiency cores... last I checked most adobe stuff still doesn't really enjoy multithreading over 8 (performance) cores which both would cover easily.



2 - I can't comment on current intel boards, I went AMD on my last build, but I agree with Tetras comment in respect to it.

3 - As someone who does 3D rendering which often includes merging with photo's etc I'd maybe try for 64GB ram, in a 2x32GB option, again you could save money with non rgb options as you wouldn't see them in the case you've picked...

4 - While it will likely be enough 'now' it wouldn't really allow any space for an upgrade on the gpu front imo. I also wouldn't be using it if it's 'old' either.

5 - Should be fine to get you up and running although personally I'd pick an nvidia card due to cuda (gpu accelerated stuff) being generally better supported than opencl that AMD cards rely on.

6 - With the amount of heat that the high tier cpu's kick out these days, you're kind of being restricted to aio's and a small selection of large sized air cooler for what you can use for cpu cooling....purely because a lot of air coolers just aren't 'good enough' to handle the heat they can produce.

7 - you picked a case with no flashing lights (good choice, I don't really like that vibe either) but you then went a picked a load of stuff that has rgb on it which you wouldn't see AND you pay a premium for over non-rgb stuff.
Unless you intend to add in a load of 3.5inch drives you could likely go smaller and if you're thinking long term storage options you always have things like nas and das (thunderbolt/usb3) units to fall back on.
 
Ok - so a shaved off a "bag of sand" in costs - so firstly thank you! How's this looking now?

The ASUS M.2 card I post more as an example as to how I can expand in the future as and when and if the need arises. Teh graphics card and PSU I'll see how I go and then obviously easy fix if I run into issues down the line.

Found a midi tower that looks unobtrusive as well - assume it all fits?


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: HD-248-SA

1 X WD Black SN850X 4TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS400T2X0E) - £399.95
SKU
: HD-592-WD

1 X Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 64-Bit DVD - OEM (FQC-10528) - £164.98
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: SW-18K-MS

1 X Asus Prime Z790-P WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £269.99
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: MB-6JR-AS

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1 X Kolink Tranquility Silent Midi Tower Case - Black Noise Dampened - £62.98
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: CA-03W-KK

1 X Alphacool Core Ocean T38 CPU Water Cooler - 420mm - £89.99
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: WC-0CU-AC

1 X ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 PCI-e Controller Card V2 - £44.99
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: CC-001-AS
 
Found a midi tower that looks unobtrusive as well - assume it all fits?

1 X Asus Prime Z790-P WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £269.99

1 X Alphacool Core Ocean T38 CPU Water Cooler - 420mm - £89.99

1 X ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 PCI-e Controller Card V2 - £44.99

The cooler is a 420mm AIO, is that right (never heard of it before)? I think the case only supports AIOs of 240mm (I looked at the specs on the kolink website). I can't actually remember seeing a case that supports a 420mm AIO.

The Z790-P powers the non-primary full-length slots through the chipset and each one has a maximum of 4 lanes, Asus directed me to this website (in the Z790-P specification) which I don't really understand 100%, but appears to suggest only the primary slot can support the M.2 card (and you'd get 2 M.2 slots operative).

The Z790 Hero you originally included apparently would give you either 2 (in the primary slot), or just 1 (in the secondary slot). Bizarrely, it looks like AMD B650 and X670 boards have superior bifurcation support and you can enable up to 4 M.2 slots in the primary PCI-E slot.
 
Switch to AMD? I have no experience with AMD but I'm open minded ... just want a fast, will be fast in the future and I can make it faster in time machine ... (so the right MB is key) .... the rest I can fix with time (and £) ...
 
Switch to AMD? I have no experience with AMD but I'm open minded ... just want a fast, will be fast in the future and I can make it faster in time machine ... (so the right MB is key) .... the rest I can fix with time (and £) ...

Well, are M.2 slots that important that you want to define your whole build over them? This is also the primary slot that makes the most difference, which I imagine you 1. aren't too keen on leaving empty, or 2. would rather not have a graphics card in a secondary 4 lane slot, just to use more M.2 drives.

My honest impression is that if 4 M.2 slots and 4 SATA ports aren't enough, perhaps you should be looking at a more 'serious' form of storage, like using a NAS.
 
Tetras picked up the obvious issues of the case and cpu cooler not being compatible.

@Jonathan Day I'm trying to work out what exactly is your thinking behind the extra nvme drives. If I'm being honest I think you might be getting a bit caught up in the hype over nvme being super fast etc.

You mention time machine but that's a mac os-x feature not a windows one .... if you're thinking about bulk storage or backups in general you'd be better served with a external das (with raid) or if you want to cover multiple pc's a nas (with raid) with nas/enterprise hard drives anyway imo.

If it's just lots of 'fast storage' on your pc then honestly you'd more than likely be fine with decent sata ssd's... My current pc is entirely ssd based, I have 2x 2tb nvme drives (1xOS and programs, 1x scratch), then I have 6x 1tb (I'll be swapping out 2x1tb for 2x2tb soon) mx500 sata ssd's for everything else (2x 1tb are in mirrored array via storage spaces - main doc drive)... I then have external storage/nas for backups etc. Yes you'll lose the absolute peak transfer rates using sata ssd versus nvme but outside of that there is very very little difference in day to day use.
 
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