Anyone heard of "Samyang" ?

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Been researching DSLRs, basically i have to buy a new one to replace my D70 as remote shutter release is not supported, unless you use a directional one which means standing infront of the camera, pretty pointless for landscapes.

Anyway im worried a crop sensor wont be wide enough for wide angles, untill i came across this.

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£300 new, F2.8 prime, nikon, canon and pentax support. Is apparently really good, some samples.
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Nikons version is £1200 but for £1400 the 14-28mm is supposed to be optically superior to its prime even at 14mm. But still 5x the price!

They also do an 8mm fisheye which seems a bit too wide...
 
I have the Samyang 8mm; tis very wide (some examples up on my Flickr). Not that I would use it for landscapes though.

Cannot grasp what your requirements are, but could you not just stitch if you need to get 'that' wide?
 
I just want to be able to do everything, my problem really is i always want the absolute best (except silly things like £16k of hasselblad) The D70 got me interested, even though all my pictures are rubbish, but the way I see things is a D700 for example will shoot at 14mm, whereas a crop sensor wont, but would make a 300mm lens a 370mm lens (on 35mm equivalence) however thats nothing a TC cant do.... grr

Sometimes i wish i was female as they seem perfectly content with whatever they own.
 
twoblacklines said:
I just want to be able to do everything, my problem really is i always want the absolute best (except silly things like £16k of hasselblad)
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You know, Hasselblad aren't the best at anything much outside of a studio environment ;)

twoblacklines said:
The D70 got me interested, even though all my pictures are rubbish, but the way I see things is a D700 for example will shoot at 14mm, whereas a crop sensor wont,
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Actually they will, and wider.

twoblacklines said:
but would make a 300mm lens a 370mm lens (on 35mm equivalence) however thats nothing a TC cant do.... grr
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370mm? You sure?

450mm on a Nikon and 480mm on a Canon :p
 
twoblacklines said:
I just want to be able to do everything, my problem really is i always want the absolute best (except silly things like £16k of hasselblad) The D70 got me interested, even though all my pictures are rubbish, but the way I see things is a D700 for example will shoot at 14mm, whereas a crop sensor wont, but would make a 300mm lens a 370mm lens (on 35mm equivalence) however thats nothing a TC cant do.... grr

Sometimes i wish i was female as they seem perfectly content with whatever they own.
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Hassleblads are studio cameras - more or less useless anywhere else. 4x5 is where it's at for large landscapes. (Yes, thats film)


If you neeeeeddd wide...try something like a 10-20mm then - it's still as wide as 15-30mm on full frame. 15mm!!! That bonkers wide... Trust me when I say you don't really need anything wider than that.

You haven't got any good glass for full-frame anyway & in actual fact you'll probably benefit from sticking with the crop sensor because of the extra reach you get with you telephoto. (Your 300mm telephoto becomes 450mm on the cropped sensor). A TC can't do this unless your willing to sacrfice one stop of light & therefore up the ISO one stop. So by using a 420mm f/8 - you'll have a dark viewfinder, poor (if any) af and you'll have to up the ISO a long way. Telelconverters are made for fast-aperture primes like the 200mm f/2, 300mm f/2.8, 400mm f/2.8, 500mm f/4, 600mm f/4 & with some pro-level zooms the 1.4x extenders tend to work quite well too... 70-200mm f/2.8, 200-400mm f/4.

Anyway ranting aside. You don't need full frame. You won't benefit from it. You can't realisitically TC anything slower than f/5. If you really need wide then buy a 10-20/10-24/10-22 etc. If you need f/2.8 - the tokina 11-16. Don't buy the f/2.8 for bokeh - there won't really be any. ;)
 
I have the Samyang 8mm too and really like it. It's no every-day lens but great fun now and again. The quality is absolutely fine too. More than you'll ever need for posting on the net.

However it's worth checking that your camera will meter with it - there's no electrical connection.
 
twoblacklines said:
Been researching DSLRs, basically i have to buy a new one to replace my D70 as remote shutter release is not supported, unless you use a directional one which means standing infront of the camera, pretty pointless for landscapes.
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I know someone has already pointed out you can just use the timer, but I have the remote for my D70 (wireless jobby) and I don't have to stand in front of the camera to use it.
 
with my canon 450d it has a front facing IR and u dont have to stand infront to use it with remote, just on the side is fine, dont actually have to be in shot, if it's worse on your nikon then cudnt u put a 2/10 sec timer on so u got time to run out of shot.

Canon 10-22 is next on my list
 
I'm sure you can buy a cable remote release for a D70. :confused: Either way most of the time you dont need a shutter release for landscaped.

Aaannd, what Samyang lens are you talking about? (All very well posting a photo but I can't tell which one...). I'm looking at getting the 8mm one in the near future, cheap and good quality but manual focus which is why I wouldn't buy any of their longer lenses.
 
Amp34 said:
I'm sure you can buy a cable remote release for a D70. :confused: Either way most of the time you dont need a shutter release for landscaped.

Aaannd, what Samyang lens are you talking about? (All very well posting a photo but I can't tell which one...). I'm looking at getting the 8mm one in the near future, cheap and good quality but manual focus which is why I wouldn't buy any of their longer lenses.
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Judging by that curve on the front I am pretty sure thats the 8mm Fisheye. :)
 
I did wonder that, but then he goes on to say

They also do an 8mm fisheye which seems a bit too wide...
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TBH I can't really get my head round any of it so...

EDIT: Also the 8mm is around £200, not £300, and he then goes on to talk about Nikons version at 14mm or something. :confused:

EDIT2: Ahhh! It appears Samyang also do a 14mm f/2.8 , maybe that's what he's talking about. Still no idea where a 14-28 comes in to it...
 
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Amp34 said:
I did wonder that, but then he goes on to say



TBH I can't really get my head round any of it so...

EDIT: Also the 8mm is around £200, not £300, and he then goes on to talk about Nikons version at 14mm or something. :confused:

EDIT2: Ahhh! It appears Samyang also do a 14mm f/2.8 , maybe that's what he's talking about. Still no idea where a 14-28 comes in to it...
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I'm pretty sure he first compares the Nikon and Samyang 14mm f/2.8 primes, but then talks about how the Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8 is superior to both. That seems to be the only reading of it that makes sense, anyway.
 
The D70 can have a cable release and the wireless release works form almost any angle in my experience.
 
Why ask for advice twice on wide angles to start another thread? Just select one and buy it, be done with it. The Samyang's are good, MF only but they are decent. If you were getting the 14mm Samyang, i'd still get the Tokina 12-24 or 11-17 or something. The 8mm is meant to be a lot of fun though, wouldn't rely on it for my main landscape lens however.
 
D.P. said:
The D70 can have a cable release and the wireless release works form almost any angle in my experience.
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Could be wrong but I thought it was the D70s which could take a cable release rather than the original D70? Either way, having to wave an IR remote vaguely in front of the camera doesn't sound like the best reason in the world to get a new body?
 
FWIW, I have the Tokina 10-17 and that's why I sold the Samyang. Much more versatile, and plenty wide enough even on a crop body (350D/40D).

Samyang:

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Tokina (at 12mm):

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